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Science can prove a god must exist
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist
The point of responding to CA or KCA was to show you that you have not been able to remove "god" from the problem of infinite regress. The argument used is not sound. Not really an issue for someone who has no problem with their creator having a creator, and so on and so forth ad infinitum, but since you have defined god as the unmoved mover, obviously a problem for you. If you're going to remove god from evidence (which you appear to have done) you aren't left with anything to argue your point with. You could propose some variant of any of the arguments for any other god, but they are all currently in need of some love. Besides, the cosmological argument, by definition, is an argument from evidence. On the one hand claiming that god cannot be measured, and then measuring god by way of invoking the known universe is a bit problematic.

What you seem to be arguing for here, is what we call a god of the gaps. Again, not really a problem, unless/until that gap is filled.

In all honesty though, as long as you aren't claiming that your god has sent commandments for us to follow, complete with punishments and holy texts etc....I like him already. The only reason I'm really offering any resistance here is that the OP states that science can prove a god must exist. Last I checked, science deals with evidence. The CA and KCA aren't evidence.
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Science can prove a god must exist - by mastertrell - September 28, 2011 at 1:50 am
RE: science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2011 at 2:00 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Epimethean - September 28, 2011 at 2:22 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Rayaan - September 28, 2011 at 2:56 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by padraic - September 28, 2011 at 3:29 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Rayaan - September 28, 2011 at 3:59 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by R-e-n-n-a-t - September 28, 2011 at 8:52 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Rayaan - September 29, 2011 at 12:13 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2011 at 8:55 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Simon Moon - September 28, 2011 at 9:12 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Epimethean - September 28, 2011 at 9:26 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by mastertrell - September 29, 2011 at 1:05 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Rayaan - September 29, 2011 at 1:18 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 1:34 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 4:40 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Epimethean - September 29, 2011 at 8:35 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 8:45 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Epimethean - September 29, 2011 at 8:46 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 8:50 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 8:46 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 8:54 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 8:54 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 8:57 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 8:55 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 9:02 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by frankiej - September 29, 2011 at 8:59 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 9:01 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 9:05 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 9:09 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by frankiej - September 29, 2011 at 9:08 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 9:10 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 9:12 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 29, 2011 at 9:18 am
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 9:17 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 9:17 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 9:19 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 9:25 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 29, 2011 at 9:27 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 9:28 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Welsh cake - September 29, 2011 at 9:27 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 29, 2011 at 9:31 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 9:35 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 9:35 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 9:39 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by R-e-n-n-a-t - September 29, 2011 at 9:35 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 9:37 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 9:41 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 9:43 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 9:44 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 9:48 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Welsh cake - September 29, 2011 at 9:47 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 9:51 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 9:48 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 10:00 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Welsh cake - September 29, 2011 at 9:50 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 9:54 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 9:54 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 9:55 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 10:02 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Welsh cake - September 29, 2011 at 10:05 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 10:53 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Jackalope - September 29, 2011 at 2:00 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 11:10 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 11:12 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by frankiej - September 29, 2011 at 11:16 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 11:49 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by frankiej - September 29, 2011 at 12:02 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 12:19 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by frankiej - September 29, 2011 at 12:24 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 12:28 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by frankiej - September 29, 2011 at 12:32 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 12:14 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 12:22 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 12:27 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 12:31 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by frankiej - September 29, 2011 at 12:28 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 12:34 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 12:34 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by frankiej - September 29, 2011 at 12:38 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 12:42 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by frankiej - September 29, 2011 at 12:55 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 1:00 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 12:46 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Erinome - September 29, 2011 at 12:48 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 12:53 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Erinome - September 29, 2011 at 1:04 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 1:14 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by fr0d0 - September 29, 2011 at 2:30 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by frankiej - September 29, 2011 at 2:31 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Simon Moon - September 29, 2011 at 1:17 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by R-e-n-n-a-t - September 29, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 12:55 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 1:01 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by frankiej - September 29, 2011 at 1:03 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Welsh cake - September 29, 2011 at 1:07 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 29, 2011 at 1:09 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by fr0d0 - September 29, 2011 at 1:14 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Erinome - September 29, 2011 at 1:16 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by 5thHorseman - September 29, 2011 at 3:42 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 1:16 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Erinome - September 29, 2011 at 1:21 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 1:33 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 29, 2011 at 2:47 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by fr0d0 - September 29, 2011 at 3:19 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Minimalist - September 29, 2011 at 3:31 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 30, 2011 at 1:36 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 1:39 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by fr0d0 - September 30, 2011 at 3:18 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 3:21 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by fr0d0 - September 30, 2011 at 3:32 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 4:04 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Jackalope - September 30, 2011 at 5:18 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Epimethean - September 30, 2011 at 2:25 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 3:27 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by fr0d0 - September 30, 2011 at 4:29 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Erinome - September 30, 2011 at 4:34 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 4:45 am
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 7:21 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 7:28 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Ace Otana - September 30, 2011 at 7:35 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 7:44 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Ace Otana - September 30, 2011 at 7:48 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 7:53 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Ace Otana - September 30, 2011 at 7:58 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by 5thHorseman - September 30, 2011 at 8:22 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Ace Otana - September 30, 2011 at 8:32 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zen Badger - September 30, 2011 at 7:59 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 7:48 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Ace Otana - September 30, 2011 at 7:53 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 8:06 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 8:30 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 8:31 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zen Badger - September 30, 2011 at 8:18 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 8:26 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 8:29 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zen Badger - September 30, 2011 at 8:32 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 8:34 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zen Badger - September 30, 2011 at 8:45 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 8:47 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zen Badger - September 30, 2011 at 8:51 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Erinome - September 30, 2011 at 5:04 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by fr0d0 - September 30, 2011 at 5:10 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Erinome - September 30, 2011 at 5:14 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by fr0d0 - September 30, 2011 at 5:22 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Erinome - September 30, 2011 at 5:36 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 5:22 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Erinome - September 30, 2011 at 6:03 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 7:23 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 7:27 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zen Badger - September 30, 2011 at 7:35 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Ace Otana - September 30, 2011 at 7:25 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 7:29 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 7:32 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by mastertrell - October 1, 2011 at 4:13 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Ace Otana - October 1, 2011 at 4:30 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Epimethean - September 30, 2011 at 8:29 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Epimethean - September 30, 2011 at 8:41 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 8:49 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 8:53 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zen Badger - September 30, 2011 at 8:55 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Ace Otana - September 30, 2011 at 9:15 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 3:26 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Ace Otana - September 30, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Zaki Aminu - September 30, 2011 at 4:31 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by Ace Otana - September 30, 2011 at 4:34 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 30, 2011 at 8:47 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 8:47 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 8:48 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 8:55 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by 5thHorseman - September 30, 2011 at 9:03 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 30, 2011 at 9:13 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by KichigaiNeko - September 30, 2011 at 9:42 am
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by The Grand Nudger - September 30, 2011 at 3:57 pm
RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by mastertrell - October 1, 2011 at 4:00 pm
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RE: Science can prove a god must exist - by mastertrell - October 1, 2011 at 4:52 pm
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