RE: God can make infinitely more special/valuable things than this universe
November 24, 2018 at 10:54 pm
(This post was last modified: November 24, 2018 at 11:05 pm by blue grey brain.)
(November 24, 2018 at 6:59 pm)Belaqua Wrote:(November 24, 2018 at 12:11 pm)blue grey brain Wrote: Actually, there's a recent concept called teleonomy, which talks about nature using purpose driven language.
The militant atheist Richard Dawkins recently introduced archeo and neo purpose as well.
So Science also says something about purpose or function. Maybe I'll make a next post on that one day.
Yes, "teleonomy" has been a topic since at least the 1980s. It's useful as a way to talk about purpose while avoiding potentially misleading ideas of design.
I don't see how that is related to what I said earlier.
You said most atheists think there's no intrinsic value, in post 2. While that may very well be true, this doesn't mean Science doesn't discuss intrinsic value or purpose, as seen in teleonomy.
Unfortunately, most atheists are unaware of teleonomy. We can reasonably use the language of biology or physics and teleonomy to formulate objective scientific value or purpose of many things in nature, including the human species.
- If you look at minute 29:25 of Richard Dawkins' "purpose of purpose" video, he describes things with "survival values" or intrinsic "archeo" purposes. This concerns teleonomy, the same topic to which you supposedly detected no relation. You're welcome.