RE: God can make infinitely more special/valuable things than this universe
November 25, 2018 at 12:06 am
(November 24, 2018 at 10:54 pm)blue grey brain Wrote: You said most atheists think there's no intrinsic value, in post 2. While that may very well be true, this doesn't mean Science doesn't discuss intrinsic value or purpose, as seen in teleonomy.
Unfortunately, most atheists are unaware of teleonomy. We can reasonably use the language of biology or physics and teleonomy to formulate objective scientific value or purpose of many things in nature, including the human species.
- If you look at minute 29:25 of Richard Dawkins' "purpose of purpose" video, he describes things with "survival values" or intrinsic "archeo" purposes. This concerns teleonomy, the same topic to which you supposedly detected no relation.
I understand now. Thanks for explaining.
To me, purpose and value are different things. You seem to be putting them together here, if I'm not mistaken.
Purpose is what a thing is for. Value is what it's worth.
Teleonomy allows us to makes sentences like, "we have lungs in order to get oxygen out of the air and into our blood, etc." That's their purpose.
A statement of value might say that we should preserve or protect something even if it doesn't have a purpose. Or that one purpose is more valuable than another. I think it's obvious that talking about things in nature demands talking about their purposes, but evaluating their values is generally not thought to be a scientific subject, because it can't be empirically repeatably tested apart from people's desires.
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This sounds like snark.
