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God can make infinitely more special/valuable things than this universe
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RE: God can make infinitely more special/valuable things than this universe
(November 25, 2018 at 12:51 am)Belaqua Wrote:
(November 25, 2018 at 12:42 am)blue grey brain Wrote: Regardless of what label we use, we can seek to objectively describe the goals wrt functions of species in nature.
In other words teleonomy apart from being a purpose driven language, is being used to describe quite real biological phenomena, which is quantifiable in terms of biology/physics equations/science.

Does the language of teleonomy tells us what it is good to do? That is, does it tell us what thing or action has a greater value than any other? 

Normally "value" refers to this sort of thing. 

The purpose of the vacuum cleaner is to keep your carpet clean. Whether a clean carpet is good or not is a value question.

Remember that teleonomy alludes to quite real phenomena which we may quantify in terms of mathematical or physics papers/equations/notations.
  • So, as Dawkins mentions, things having survival values may occur based on pressures afforded by nature, in relation to degrees of freedom afforded by an organism's biological structure.
For example, if we think in terms of entropy, and analyse the degrees of freedom afforded by human intelligence, we can probably predict that a grand purpose humans may have would be to replicate universes.
  • And in fact, a pHd psychologist named Michael Price, hypothesizes that the purpose of the human species may be to replicate universes, i.e. future humans may be appropriate replicating factors for Lee Smolin's fecund universes. (See "Cosmological Evolution and the Future of Life")
  • Lee Smolin is a physicist that proposed "Cosmological Natural Selection" or "fecund universes", which states that universes basically occur in large numbers, in order to deliver fined tuned parameters, where the most successfully occurring universes occur with black holes. This would be similar to biological natural selection, but on a cosmic scale.
  • Michael Price hypothesizes instead of black holes, that future humans may be better replicating factors, that may create universes to inhabit in the scenario of big freezes or other potential ends of the universe.
Notably, the objective type of purpose above would transcend the desires of individual humans, as it seeks to be informed by objective measures, such as scientific principles in entropy.

This sounds pertinent enough to be a thread by itself. Will do so later maybe.
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RE: God can make infinitely more special/valuable things than this universe - by blue grey brain - November 25, 2018 at 1:01 am

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