RE: God can make infinitely more special/valuable things than this universe
November 30, 2018 at 11:04 am
(November 27, 2018 at 3:26 pm)blue grey brain Wrote:(November 27, 2018 at 11:43 am)Drich Wrote: This question can be answered with the same answer.
qualifiers like "best, greatest in creation" is all a matter of perspective. It seems to God Love is one of the greatest attributes or things one can possess and give as it seem to be the currency the after life works on.
Which is also why I said God uses our most valued items as common building materials, which reduces their values to little or nothing more than common cobble stones. To us our system of value is different, what we deem valued or the best, is common fodder.
Think about that for a second.
So to now ask has the best been created? The question need to be first asked by who's standards? who can judge what is best or greatest if our current best or greatest are no more important to God than common rocks and gravel?
So then if God hold something like Love with such high esteem and you don't see it as anything special, then by what standard what imperial measure do you use to judge best and or greatest?
That is why this answer works for both questions. it comes down to how does a finite being measure the work of an infinate God? what measure can one possible use to judge one creation greater or better than another, if you can not see how one creation touches and effects the whole of creation over it's entire life time?
-or to put it another way.. what do you think is better or greater than what has been created? by what measure or authority do you make this assessment? Does this assessment only concern you and this time or does it concern everyone for eternity, and is the outcome always better? How can you finite being say it will always be better?
Do you see the problem? even if you are proud enough to answer the question you have no authority to guarantee the result as always being better. meaning your standard as a finite being is unable to judge what a infinite being has already done. at best you can only speak to you and yours which has nothing to do with greatest or best..
Notably, my inability to detect a supposedly omnipotent God's infinitely better creations, has no bearing on said creations. It is odd to think my inability to detect the products of the supposed God's omnipotence, would affect said omnipotent power.
As a simple analogy: If I were a layman when Einstein were alive, I may not have understood what Einstein was thinking, but I could have correctly determined that Einstein would have already done far better than perform simple arithmetic calculations, like the calculation 1 + 1. My inability to understand Einstein's complex works, would not in anyway inhibit the reality that Einstein would have long done far more than simple addition operations.
And thus the question remains: Do you feel this universe's creation represents the end of God's supposedly unending power?
your grasp of the infinite from your finite perspective only puts you one or two levels below God. If God were limited to einstein's ability to calculate math your role would not be that of a laymen human, but maybe that of a snail or slug maybe a turtle if you think yourself smart/complex. In that your world only consists of what concerns you to sustain your life and maybe reproduce. Your knowledge of einstein let alone his calculations would be unfathomable even to the smartest turtle. heck you would have no idea of who or what einstein was unless he decided to pick you up and interact with you, and even then your interactions would center around the things in your world not his.. Meaning if you were his pet all you would know is this is the guy that feeds you, you would not know him as einstein let alone have the insight to even understand what 1=1 was nor even approach his complex work in space and time.. unless he built a bridge or an apparatus that would gift you more knowledge... (which is what God has done for us) but even then how much understanding would a slug have concerning einstein's greater work?
The problem here is you are too proud and see your self on par or nearly on par with God and wrongfully assume that you could indeed have the capacity to understand things on God's level. you put yourself in a position to judge something by definition (let alone whether God is real or not) should be completely off the table for you by definitions and simple logic alone.
A finite being can not conceive or fully understand the infinite. to judge a work one must fully understand it. You are trying to attempt to judge creation and everything in it, yet do not have a complete understanding over it let alone the being who created it.