Top Seven Ways Christianity is Debunked By the Sciences

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If you read what you've quoted me saying, you wouldn't ask that question now would you.

Yes, I would. I fail to see where I insulted him, even in the slightest, Frods. I understand that you were merely saying that my post fell by the wayside. However, I would venture to say it went more than by the wayside. Zaki went ahead and fully implied I was saying things I was not. That tends to rub me the wrong way.

I never said you insulted him.

Zak is continuing along with all he can get out of people at this point, beyond insults. His bravado is what you're attacking.

He's still remaining calm and focussed. Maybe there should be a medal for that.

I'm simply trying to encourange reasonable discourse over the usual flame baiting. the only people who sticck around in such conditions are people who like retaliating at times, like me. And you will occasionally get upset with me about that.

I respect that and I try to lead conversation in the right direction as much as possible. It's rather hard when the newb has already had a meltdown by the time I get there. Hard to tell people to lay off him when he is going batshit.

Except this time you're not helping maybe?

You should make your mind up about what you want... flame wars or logical discussion. It seems the flaming is all we're about really.

This is where I take umbrage, Frodo. This is not my forum.

I was talking the collective 'you'.

Why so much intervention is needed whenever a theist freaks out because the atheists are not pussyfooting is beyond me.

If the atheists are preventing reasoned discussion it's a problem. Or maybe it's convenient.

I have tried explaining that denying god and all arguments that stem from the bible is not a personal insult and that theists should just carry on. I have tried explaining to people that I cannot chastise someone for being insulting if they give it right back. None of this has worked, thusfar. Either people get the idea that it feels like a mob because there is more than one atheist here or they run away. It's there prerogative. I am tired of trying to get them to stay only to feel like an idiot when they post a freakout thread saying they are leaving because atheists are all meanie poopy faces.

LoL

You're too nice Shell. I wouldn't have the patience. And you do a great job. You know I think the world of you. Of course some won't get it.

I think that sometimes you forget that the ratio of atheists who hate Christians to Christians who hate atheists is not skewed in favor of Christians being victims. No matter how nice I am in private messages and how much I try to coax newbs, 1 out of 10, at best, actually respects me and stays.

Kudos to you.

Now I look at Ziki's first posts here... and I see an attempt at discussion and no name calling.

That's lovely. However, he reported no posts and relished jumping right in on the bandwagon. If he didn't like it, he could have reported it and rose above it. Instead, like so many others, he decided to join in because insulting atheists is apparently as much fun as insulting theists.

He had no choice did he. If he complained you'd call him a whining theist. If he fights you call him a troll. The issue is that he started civil.

After a barrage of flaming he's now trading insults... which is the only reason he's still around, because he's actually not bad at it.

Yes, pretty pathetic, isn't it?

Indeed. But I don't blame the consequence of trolling, I blame the trolls (the people who won't let up with name calling).

You reap what you sow. Don't complain about the harvest. Dickweed planted dickweed.

I am not to blame for the state of this. Theists do not get the right idea when they come in here. They think the atheists will be awed at their "proof" of god and inevitably are disappointed. I sowed that? Give me a break, Frodo. I might be present quite a bit, but I am not the judge, jury and executioner here. In fact, I think I need a break from this place.

Well one of the site's strap lines is something along the lines of giving everyone a voice. That isn't the case.

What you [collectively] sow is flame baiting.