RE: Angry Atheists and Anti-Theists
December 16, 2018 at 7:12 am
(This post was last modified: December 16, 2018 at 7:16 am by Agnostico.)
(December 16, 2018 at 12:53 am)Belaqua Wrote:(December 15, 2018 at 11:25 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: But fundamentalists are just exemplars of a problem which (though more dilute) is found throughout the population. People are encouraged to project "confidence"... which sometimes means acting as if one is certain when one isn't.
I share your pessimism.
And as always, I find this misplaced confidence more troubling when I see it in people who really ought to know better. We expect it in creationists or other pure ideologues. We have no excuse for letting it go by when it shows up in people like ourselves.
To me, this is one of the differences between regular old atheists and so-called New Atheists. If we don't believe, we can just say we don't believe, without pretending that we also understand all the theological arguments. But some people who don't believe also assume that they are qualified to pass judgment on things they've never studied.
The worst example I can think of off hand is in Dawkins' book, where he thinks he has rebutted Thomas Aquinas. This is in a book put out by a [formerly] reputable publisher, but apparently nobody bothered to check whether his argument was embarrassingly bad or not. I mean -- he lives in Oxford, which is probably the town with the most English-speaking people in the world who understand Thomas Aquinas. Yet he didn't walk across the street to ask someone who knows better than he does. He just assumes that because the argument is Christian, it must be stupid. (Even my own editor, in a much less high-priced publishing company, called me out when I used a pre-Cantor definition of infinity. Yet nobody did such a favor for Dawkins.)
I don't know whether the false assumption of expertise is worse now, or whether we just see it more because of the Internet. But it's pretty glaringly obvious in any field you happen to know something about.
I saw you mention my favorite scientist and couldn't help myself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-cxUYmxiTs
The "old we believe, we believe not" ideology explained
Pessimisim is my middle name. Karl Pessimist Popper.
I know iv been aggressive to begin with here but i've been fair. Facts don't care about feelings
And the reactions to my skepticism have been intersting for lack of a better term.
How am I seriously ment to believe this angry atheist? He writes books and does lectures on anti-religion.
This was one of the first things that made me scratch my head. Why is a scientist devoting all that time to preach against instead of doing science?
From there i encountered the 4 horsemen, and the others, the books, the preaching, the hate and the rest. 93% of the scientific community are atheists. Thats shocking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo_KIRTa7jI
Watch him squiggle and try worm his way out of this one. He totally exposes himself as clueless
The default position in science is agnostic. If your too far either way people will posit there belief/non belief and only look for evidence to support the theory while rejecting anything else.
I see secular arguments being made that just get dismissed because the scientis is a creationist. Well should I then dissmiss science because they're atheists?
They cannot explain the most basic of questions without blowing a fuse and trying to mock you for questioning
There is a long list of hoaxes and frauds that have been fabricated by theoretical science to push their theory.
They tech it in school as though it was undisputable proof, turning them into little atheist social justice warriors full of entitlement. Special snowflakes. Unique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o980zLBebUU
The hypocracy which I see in atheists as well