(October 2, 2011 at 12:07 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote:The "legitimacy" of a marriage is put down by law.(October 2, 2011 at 10:38 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: And I think that they view gays as disgusting, and not fit to join society as normal people.
Maybe not all of them have such harsh views, but they definately do not approve of the notion of gays marrying. Neither do I. So what are you going to do?
Do you really see yourself as so superior, as to walk over the voices of others? Finding a middle ground could benefit you, and the opposition aswell.
Thats fine..just as long as other people and gays can limit your freedoms as well when it comes to marriage. you know, being all for fairness and all, it would be completely unfair for you to force yourself on a group, and then suggest that they do not have the same power.
Perhaps we could start with denying hospital visitation rights for religious and heterosexual married couples for the first 5 years of ther marriage, seeing as most marriages in America end in divorce in less than 5 years.
By passing that 5 year mark, it would be proof that their marriage is legitimate and not just some fad or faked marriage which is so popular with American heterosexuals these days.
I have passed the 5 year mark with my hetero marriage, so therefore my marriage is a true and legitimate marriage.
What do you think?
It's not really the 5 year mark, or whatsoever. Simply the existence of such a mark in your country shows how much marriage has been worn down and corrupted by people, not really knowing what purpose marriage really serves.
It's not that I oppose the marriage of gay people because they are gay, it's because marriage is an institution that was always for straight people.
And it's historical roots lie in places that are maybe not emphasized anymore, but are in our subconsciousness. Most people(who are not stupid, and actually plan ahead before doing something) will have kids once they get married. Why? Why not have them before? At the end, it only requires for the male to put his semen into the woman's vagina, it does not need you to be married at all. Think about that. If you can't figure it out, I'll detail it out for ya.
Quote: it would be completely unfair for you to force yourself on a group, and then suggest that they do not have the same power.I'm not forcing myself on them. In fact, it is them who wants marriage to be changed, so they can have it their way. If gays were able to marry before, and I suddenly came from nowhere, and told them that they could not, that would be forcing my own opinions on them. But that is most certainly not the case.
This is why I advocate something else that could work out in America.
After all, being married will most probably give gays nothing more than the rights than the ordinary legal benefits. They will never have children(unless they are lesbian and get pregnant in an artificial way), and they will never raise them to be in accordance with the normal ways that society was built on, because their union actually does not go along with them.