(January 13, 2019 at 12:51 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:(January 13, 2019 at 11:45 am)Acrobat Wrote: The question was whether such beliefs, beliefs in moral realism, are equivalent to beliefs in invisible donkeys, and fairies, not whether such beliefs are true.
They're all part of the same package.
Quote:Which Christian position? What’s the position of Eastern Orthodox?
In reality this position differs among different Christian sects, even those considered orthodox, the view Catholics different than that of Calvinist, the view of Lutherans different than Eastern Orthodox. Herbert McCabe’s view different than John Piper’s.
Which just proves that if they need 33,000 sects to encompass their views, then there is no such thing as "Christianity", (or Roman Catholicism for that matter).
McCabe's view is NOT what the official Roman position is, (which is written in the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church). He is NOT "representative" of anything.
He held no official (magisterial) position in the church, (except being a priest). He is not "installed" as an authority on anything, and anyone can see the WIDE difference between him and official Roman stances, on many things.
Type in "Jesus came to save" here : http://ccc.scborromeo.org.master.com/tex...earch&s=SS
He did NOT just come to be "human". The creeds of the RC Church over and over again proclaim his mission and concurrent divinity, (although only one of the gospels does).
BTW, nice try there sport. My educated view of the various positions of the various church bodies in no way rests on being an "atheist", (which I am not).
It seems you’re one of those who like to argue for arguements sake. The OP asked what do moderates think Jesus died for, I supplied some moderate views.
Regardless of what you think the catholic view is, which I’m doubtful any catholic would agree with.
