Quote:(January 14, 2019 at 12:10 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(January 13, 2019 at 8:47 am)Acrobat Wrote: I think people look at those who deny Jesus historically existed, like they would flat earthers, or holocaust denialist.No, just no. Flatties and HDs are plain wrong. there is bugger all evidence for a historical jesus.
No, flat earthers and holocaust deniers also think their opponents are plain wrong, and that they have no evidence. They claim photos are not evidence, because it was staged, etc..
Evidence is merely the things one draws logical inferences from. I provided a number of evidence, you merely tried to hand waive them away for whatever loopy reasons you had.
Quote:(January 13, 2019 at 8:47 am)Acrobat Wrote: We have first hand accounts of someone who met his disciples and brother,Sure. Purple monkey dishwasher
Case in point.
Quote:(January 13, 2019 at 8:47 am)Acrobat Wrote: we have Josephus writing of his brothers death,From the church of the latter day fakers.
Nope the portion where Josephus mentions Jesus’s brother is not a Christian fake, but is authentic.
[auote](January 13, 2019 at 8:47 am)Acrobat Wrote: we a number of sayings, parables, stories incorporating a unique style of irony, reversals of expectstions, etc.. in mutiple texts, attributed to none other than Jesus.Attributed by the bible to itself. Hello circular reasoning.
Nope, the Bible is a collection of early Christin writings, that were later compiled together. Saying it can’t be used to derive historical inferences because it’s from believers, is more a product of your own prejudices than anything else. Either you can take these portions and draw a more probable a-historicist conclusion, or a historical one.
Quote:(January 13, 2019 at 8:47 am)Acrobat Wrote: In fact Jesus was acknowledged as historical person even from staunch Roman opponent said of Christianity.FFS have you any clue how often this shit has been gone over in excruciating detail?
No, go over it again.
Quote:(January 13, 2019 at 8:47 am)Acrobat Wrote: If you try and explain all the events that transpired and gave rise to the Christian movement, without a historical Jesus, it’s not long before it drifts into the mother of all conspiracy theories, that you start sounding like someone suggesting sandyhook was stagedSure, along with the rest of your fundie christian brethren who claim sandyhook was staged.
Nice, I've been on this forum all but three minutes, and I've already goytten accused of being a fundie, by your typical angry atheist.
