(January 21, 2019 at 10:25 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:(January 21, 2019 at 7:06 pm)Acrobat Wrote: Never said he was a first hand account. But he is the only Roman historian writing about that entire period in 1st century Palestine, that we have, and even if you exclude the disputed portion, you still have a reference to the death of James, Jesus brother. Unless non historical people have literal brothers, this indicates Jesus was a historical person. Trying to due away with Josephus would leave a significant gap for that entire period, pretty much all we have about Pilates life is found in Josephus, etc..
Quote:What we do have a first hand account of is someone (Paul) who met both his brother, and his disciples, in fact having various disputes with them.Christ, you're worse off than I thought.
"Paul" isn't any more a real person than jesus was, lol. You referred to a character in a work of fiction as a firsthand account of another character in the same work of fiction....
Quote:I’ll wait while you try and take these two pieces and make a more compelling argument for a-historicity based on them without verging on the credulousHercules and zues said a bunch of things too, also "well attested."
No but he said of bunch of things, attested to in multiple writings, credited to him.
Quote:No the gospels were the prevalent and oldest texts held by the wide variety of Christians way before three hundred AD, it’s a result of how commonly shared they were, that they were canonized.This is so far off from fact and irrelevant to the rise of christianity that I refuse to go down the rabbit hole. Let's take them in order from the top. We'll get here eventually, maybe.
You have no firsthand accounts. You are trying to certify mythology by referring to folklore.
And you wonder why Ahistoricist get categorized with flat earthers and holocaust, unsurprisingly there’s even a zeitgeist film promoting this idea.
Apparently non-existing people can write letters, and we can’t trust anything from Josephus.
