(January 23, 2019 at 9:43 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Says the man who promised goods he did not possess. When you say this, are you suggesting that the "data" which establishes this is the imaginary data you offered from earlier?
No the same data, that those who do try and make ahistorical explanations try and account for as well.
Quote:Or is it the consensus of scholars , equally imaginary, also from earlier?
In reality, no one is confident about the historical status of some jesus, or even paul. Each historicist is an ahistoricist with regards to every other competing hypothetically historical character. Much like the analog between theism and atheism...in point of fact. Any time someone begins to talk about "the historical jesus" a necessarry question is "which one of them" - and lacking a solid answer to that, the whole enterprise of discussing this as settled fact is more than a little bit deceptive.
Personally, I'm giving you a mulligan..because I don't think that your silliness here has been intentional, I just don't think you know very much about this. Even though you swear to have debated the subjects luminaries (lol) - which I'm starting to think is a way of telling us that you read something online and then yelled at the internet.... is all. That...you're not going to get a mulligan for.
No nearly all historians, and NT scholars are confident that Jesus existed.
Again read the wikipedia article:
"Virtually all New Testament scholars and Near East historians, applying the standard criteria of historical investigation, find that the historicity of Jesus is effectively certain[2][nb 1][nb 2][nb 3][nb 4][nb 5] although they differ about the beliefs and teachings of Jesus as well as the accuracy of the details of his life that have been described in the gospels.[nb 6][9][nb 7][11]:168–173 While scholars have criticized Jesus scholarship for religious bias and lack of methodological soundness,[nb 8] with very few exceptions such critics generally do support the historicity of Jesus and reject the Christ myth theory that Jesus never existed.[13][nb 9][15][16][17]"
Are you suggesting this is false?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
