If it wasn't for religion

[The Grand Nudger]

I said a reality that posses moral aims and purposes, I didn't say superstitious, or supernatural, or whatever those terms might mean to you.

That which we call a rose.  You've explained what you mean by this enough on the boards that any wheedling on the subject is pointless.

To say what if reality didn't posses moral aims and purposes, is a big if. It's sort like saying how would our behavior change if you found out your living in the something akin to the Truman Show, or that if you found out you're a brain in vat, or that you're a player in a video game, and everyone else is just a computer simulation, and not real beings, etc...

As we've discussed in another thread and now this one, it's only a consequential what-if to the superstitious (and probably not even then).  If I were living in the truman show.,..then I would be living in the truman show (though why I would be living in the truman show if your superstitions were as false as they certainly are is a mystery). 

Nothing about living in the truman show gives me moral license to skullfuck the extras, for example.

Even though this is would be quite unimaginable, if it actually were true it would probably have a dramatic impact on our behavior, and our relationship to others. 

Yeah..you know..... or not at all.  50/50 

People don't seem to turn into raving sociopaths when they lose their faith.  The boards are full of such people.  I doubt that any of them have bodies under their floorboards.

Not even Valk.  She keeps them in the shed.  

OTOH, I'm sure that plenty of folks could express similar experiences, though it seems like the change might go in the opposite direction. When people lose their faiths, they often lose those bigotries common to their faith and gain remorse for having ever believed it, or comported themselves in such a manner. It's unfortunate, but our superstitions make us say and do stupid and hateful things. Things that we don't even realize are stupid or hateful so long as we find ourselves under the umbrella of that superstition. Things that we can rationalize and excuse when we are surrounded by others in our superstitions who reinforce those precepts. Things we take to be conceptually righteous, regardless of their degeneracy.

Now, personally, I'd call that coincidental. For every person that stops believing in some stupid or hateful superstitious x there are many more that just stop believing in the stupid or the hateful and retain their superstitious beliefs. They find, in short, that those things weren't a requirement of reality -or- of their faith.

Lucky for all us, we all seem to operate as if reality does possess moral aims and purposes, even if some of us refuse to acknowledge this because it's difficult to reconcile with other components of your worldview, and such can't particularly express it, without placing their own self-identifies in doubt. But internally, subconscious perhaps they operate with underlying belief such a reality, and would circle or gravitate towards those able to confirm these commitments, like MLK. 

The idea that everyone operates as though your superstitions were true consciously or subconsciously is false on it's face.  

A person who completely operated in denial of such a moral reality, would be akin to a sociopath, people we all would be weary about.

Except..again, that they don't?  This is why I don't grant any credence to the notion of a superstitious requirement (for or against) to human behavior in holding a moral schema. It's just something that superstitious people say about themselves and others.

The notion that some religion specifically produces mlks in a way that another religion or non religion or irreligion doesn't is similarly misinformed. It's nothing more or less than attempting to steal the credibility and work of real people for the realm of fairy tale creatures on account of credibility and work from those fairy tale creatures being so sorely lacking. If any portion of your or anyone else's superstitions were true then that case could be made on it's own merits rather than by shaking the bones of MLK..which does nothing whatsoever to advance that notion.