RE: If it wasn't for religion
January 29, 2019 at 10:29 am
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2019 at 10:32 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 29, 2019 at 9:59 am)Acrobat Wrote:We don't actually. We can argue that killing is wrong, while also arguing that we ought to kill. That we ought not do what is wrong is an evaluative premise referring to a goal, not a fact. Whatever the moral fact of some matter may be (if it is)...our goals do not have to, and often do not align with them. Why on earth can't you contain yourself to a single thread on this?(January 29, 2019 at 8:45 am)Grandizer Wrote: Positing God doesn't even adequately address any of the specifics related to morality. Whether we're theists or atheists, when we're trying to argue why killing (in most cases, at least) is wrong, we generally rely on reason to do so (whatever arguments we may use). And reason is independent of God's nature and will.
Reason is dependent on objective truths.
Before you even bother arguing why killing is wrong, you need to hold that you ought not do what's wrong.
If you ought not do what's wrong is not an objective truth, then absent of it, when you provide the reasons for why you find something wrong, it would at best be akin to providing us the reasons why you think Pizza Hut makes the best tasting pizza, or why you like Italian food more than Indian food, etc. Or in other words you moral claims becoming nothing more that decorative frills of personal opinion.
Do you not hold "I ought not be a spammy cunt" to be true?
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