RE: If it wasn't for religion
January 30, 2019 at 3:35 pm
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2019 at 3:44 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 30, 2019 at 3:27 pm)Acrobat Wrote:More or less, sure....though..again, because I'm a realist somethings intersubjectivity isn't the same as somethings being objective - though ultimately the two can be difficult to separate.(January 30, 2019 at 2:54 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I think that peoples tastes are explicitly subjective. I suppose we may be able to generalize some things, we share a massive amount of our biology and that does actually include the way things taste to us. Those things would be the only things that I would include in a final revision of any "taste objectivism".
Okay, so your moral objectivism, would be akin to this final revision of “taste objectivism”?
The same logic you use to hold moral objectivism, can be applied to form taste objectivism as well.
While some things may subjectively taste bad, at least some things objectively taste bad? The reason why one set of taste remain in the subjective category, is because it’s not shared as in common as those tastes that are shared more commonly? A strong consensus of subjective taste, makes them objective tastes?
Quote:You keep insisting that I do no matter how many times I tell you otherwise. Why ask me a question about what I think if you're going to ignore my answer and provide your own in it's place?Quote:Yep.
Nope. Goodness and badness are not "stuff" floating around out there. They're designations of what acts belong to conceptual sets and why we think so.
Yellowness of things, the blueness of things, the squareness of things, exist objectively, out there, not dependent on our thoughts or categorizations, or beliefs. The balloon is yellow regardless of what I think or conceptualize. So either badness and goodnesses exists in such a way, or they don’t? I’m assuming the answer from you is that they don’t.
Do goodness and badness exists outside of our mental designations, or are they dependent on such conceptual designations to exists. That absent of human being to make such designations good and badness don’t exist? I.e, That holocaust is neither good nor bad.
Facts are not dependent on our beliefs, or thoughts, or designations. Yet you seem to insist that moral facts are.
-I think- that there are moral facts of a matter, but I'm not certifying every random fucking thing that falls out of peoples mouths and gets called a fact as one of them. Mostly, because people like you exist and make such claims, lol. It's certainly possible for the things a person calls a fact to be dependent on their beliefs. You've been a case example of that in this thread and the last.
For example, you believe that an atheist realist is delusional and incoherent. On the basis of that belief..and seemingly nothing else, you've breathlessly repeated as much as though it were a fact. You believe that it's just -impossibru- for there to be an atheist MLK (whatever the fuck you think that means) and assert this much as a fact as well. That I think that there are facts, doesn't mean that I have to think that these things are facts, nor does my strong suggestion™ that these things are not facts..but, instead, products of your beliefs, indicate that I think there are no facts.
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