RE: If it wasn't for religion
January 30, 2019 at 11:07 pm
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2019 at 11:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 30, 2019 at 9:16 pm)Acrobat Wrote:Familiar with reference? Realist semantics implicitly carry an assumption of referential realism. Put simply, a mental designation may only exist in a mind (and this is true pretty much by definition) - but that places no such restriction on it's referent.(January 30, 2019 at 5:12 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Hey, you got it, and all you had to do was repeat my previous response word for word. Imagine that, lol.
Can you explain what you think is contradictory or incoherent or delusional about that?
Okay so, you believe Goodness and badness are not "stuff", they're are mental designations of what acts belong to conceptual sets and why we think so.
And that these mental designations exist independent of our minds, as a part of objective reality. Or in other words in your view reality possess mental properties?
If not can you explain how mental designations have an existence independent of minds.
So long as the mental designations..that only exist in our minds, carry existent referents beyond them, they are taken to be objective and "real" - those that don't, aren't. It's an interesting distinction, because the things that really exist in our minds and only in our minds are also real, but not in the sense important to realist moral propositions. We generally consider those sorts of propositions subjective, facts of a person x and not a matter x.
Trivia, at this point..since you're fishing. Don't you think it might have been prudent to actually wait until you found some contradictory, incoherent, or delusional thing before so loudly proclaiming that they must exist on account of how I'm an atheist? I take it that you couldn't figure out what was supposed to be contradictory, incoherent, or delusional about that last statement, since we've moved on to butchering another set of statements in search of the same? You even managed to butcher your own question in the process. It would be "if so, can you explain how mental designations have an existence independent of minds", not "if not". If not, then there would be nothing to explain.
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