If it wasn't for religion

[The Grand Nudger]

Do you understand?

-and, no.  


Goodness and badness are no more the material properties themselves than the elephant in your mind is an actual elephant somehow crammed into your skull.

I'm guessing that you don't realize this..but you're bickering about linguistics with me, not morality, at this point.

I am picturing an elephant in my hall, there’s no actual elephant in my hall, this elephant purely exists in my mind,  but not externally in the hall.

The elephant here is just a mental image, in order for it to be real, it has to be a referent to an elephant that’s externally in the hall.

In order for it to be real in the sense that's important to moral realism, yes.  In order for it to be real in a sense not important to moral realism..no.  

When speaking of goodness and badness, your arguments keep shifting, moving back and forth, between an elephant in the hall, and an elephant not in the hall, but purely an image of one in our minds.

You can’t seem to decide whether good and bad are as real as the elephant at the zoo, or just one tha exists purely in my minds imagination, and conception, like the on I’m picturing now.

If I were to give you the benefit of the doubt here, perhaps when you say the holocaust is bad, the real referent here is the holocaust, and its historical facts about it’s impact and consequences? If so, calling it bad, doesn’t provide any additional historical facts about it, than just calling it the holocaust.

The purpose of a moral evaluation isn't to add any additional historic facts, but to assess the moral status of the act(s) by reference to them and their relationship to purported moral facts.

It is a historic (or empirical) fact that the nazis were tossing jews into ovens.
Tossing jews into ovens possesses those properties to which we are referring when we call something bad.

I'm, still going to insist that you take a break from your fishing expedition and confront the fact that you made a claim you could not possibly back up..if you need me to explain -anything- about moral realism.