How to discuss religion with believers?

[Dr H]

Quite simple, really.  "ungodly:" literally means disobeying God, or going against God.  
An atheist does not believe that there are any gods.  

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It is impossible to disobey or go against something which one doesn't even believe exists.

"Non-" expresses negation or absence.  Hence "nongodliness" = "acting in the absence of god".



Saying this does not make it so.


IOW, "God exists, because creation exists, and God made creation."

This is circular reasoning, and therefore logically invalid.



I find it difficult to parse that sentence into meaningful concepts.

What an atheist says, is that they lack belief in any deity.
That would be a simple statement of fact about what they do not believe.
The existence of scripture is completely immaterial to that state of affairs.

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"An atheist does not believe that there are any gods.'  Therefore they believe there are gods. 

Is English not your first language, by any chance?