Evolution and Christianity and Salvation

[Drich]

oh noes!! what will we do... oh, you said catholic belief.. yeah that's kinda been falsified when they put a pope over the church and told us he alone speaks for God. that whole precept is in trouble because it is the exact opposite of what Christ himself taught. Christ said we would need no teacher that no man would come between us each individual believer and God himself. The pope is such a man the bishops are such men the priests you must confess to are such men, the whole system is very unbiblical. There is nothing new in your statement as Catholicism has never aligned itself with scripture fully.

Here I though it all came from this:

Matthew 17:19
[17]Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven. [18]And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. [19]I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

then 1 why did paul build the church as we know it? and not peter?

Peter's vision of the church was to have everyone convert to judaism first meaning the men had to be circumcized first! Paul and peter in the scripture have it out several times over this issue and peter conceeds his way is wrong yet he continues to minister to the messianic jews and does little in the way of contributing to the gentile church which is what the church is or has been since the 3rd century.. That was Paul's church/the gentile church as peter's church was jewish converts only.

2 let's break down this passage in the greek it actually starts in verse 13 of mat 16 (not 17)
13 Jesus went to the area of Caesarea Philippi. He said to his followers, “Who do people say I am[b]?”
14 They answered, “Some people say you are John the Baptizer. Others say you are Elijah. And some say you are Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 Then Jesus said to his followers, “And who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus answered, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah. No one taught you that. My Father in heaven showed you who I am. 18 So I tell you, you are Peter.[c] And I will build my church on this rock. The power of death[d] will not be able to defeat my church. 19 I will give you the keys to God’s kingdom. When you speak judgment here on earth, that judgment will be God’s judgment. When you promise forgiveness here on earth, that forgiveness will be God’s forgiveness.”[e]
20 Then Jesus warned his followers not to tell anyone he was the Messiah.

note verse 16 this confession of faith that Jesus Is God...

Then note what Jesus call simon "Peter." a common name now but back then in the greek a better translation would be douche bag. Jesus is saying Only God could give such knowedge to someone as unstable as you. we know this because the word "peter" is derived from the koine word petros which means loose or small rock (small stone) loose unstable ground . 

Jesus is describing the unstable temperament of simon, like when he call out to him on the sea and walk on water till his faith got the better of him and jesus had to pull  him out of the water. or maybe to the future even when Jesus said he would deny christ 3 times before the rooster crowed. Jesus was saying from such an unstable person the foundation or "petra' firm foundation of solid stone my church will be built on.. Now if the passage meant to say Peter was the rock it would say petra is the petra my church will be founded on. rather it was from this petros (from this unstable douche) come the petra or foundation stone my church will be built on.

Jesus Meaning peter the man is not the foundation as he is nothing but an unstable disciple, but his confession of faith. that Jesus Christ is lord/son of the living God!

Look back at history and we will find very little past the book of acts and the 2 books written with his name in them did peter contribute. while the church or every jesus Christ centered church (established by paul not peter/who also went on to write 2/3s of the New testament) established the church on the confession peter made.

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Protestants have been ungrateful nutballs for the last 500yrs...they're not going to stop now.

The trouble above, Drich, is that you went through the trouble to revise magic book, but it didn't get you any closer to reality.

didn't change a word sport... just pointed out the artifical time lines put on by the church or a traditional reading do not exist outside of traditions of the church. meaning I simply am showing people how to read it without the artifical constraints put on by the church.

You still have a full 7 day creation... just no time line between the end of creation's 7th day and the fall of man.

show me book chapter and verse where I have added anything or taken anything away

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And I have shown using the bible how there could still be a literal adam and eve and it jive with evolution without changing either account.

he is 1/2 right. that was the time of the exodus from the garden.

All of chapter 2 is a garden narrative that is sperate from chapter 1 creation of the rest of the world.

in essence in chapter 1 God the father creates the world in a rough form and it is left to evolve.

in chapter 2 Jesus is said between day 3 and 4 to have created the garden adam and eve and everything else in the garden. So because adam was created day 3 he was the first man and eve was the first woman they had souls and they were slated to live forever with God in the garden. all apart of the 7 day creation God the father made in chapter 1 where man was made on day 6, also note man outside the garden was not given a soul.

Then chapter three is the fall of man. All I poin out here is there is no time line no set time between chapter 2 and chapter 3.. This means all the time you all need for evolution to work, could have very easily have played out all the way back to 4004BC or whatever date YECs are saying now.

Do you get that man in the garden Adam was separate than man made in the world on day 6? day 6 man had to evolve while adam was created complete. and lived with God for potentially hundreds of millions of years so that the outside world caught up with the garden picture/so outside man would be compatible with man made in the garden.

So 4004bc genesis chapter 3 happens and the rest plays out like history.

We did not descend from two biological humans, though; such is a genetic fact.  I assume that you accept DNA testing?

are you stupid or are you not reading what I wrote?

I said adam and eve were seperate from 7 day creation. meaning on day 6 god could have created man in as many vareity as scince needs.. this 6th day man becomes evolved man retard. 6 day man has nothing to do with adam and eve 3rd day man created by Christ in the garden apart and seperate from 6th day created man...

Do you get it now?

Adam and eve were created in chapter 2

All of chapter 2 happenes between day 3 and day 4 of the creation recorded in chapter 1

According to chapter 1 man was made on day 6

again day 6 man was more than just 2 people. Day 6 man could be anything 'science' says needed to be.

The only difference between adam and eve and day 6 man was adam and eve were created with a soul and placed in the garden

Day 6 man was never given a soul but is 100% genetically compatible with adam and eve and their children at the time of the fall..

Do you still understand? at the end of day 7 100 bazillion years could have past between the end of the seventh day and the fall of man/exodus from the garden which happened 4004 bc.

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please ask question before you respond if you do not understand how both can be 100% compatible. meaning how both accounts can work without infringing on 100% of what the bible says and 100% of what science says. because if you still think my theory here infringes on science or changes the bible in any way you obviously do not understand it.