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Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED.
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RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED.
(February 20, 2019 at 10:21 am)Cepheus Ace Wrote:
(February 20, 2019 at 9:20 am)Brian37 Wrote: I voted for Bernie in the primaries, and Hillary in the general. Bernie ended up supporting Hillary once she got the nomination. BUT that is done and over and we cannot change the past. 

I am sick of BOTH Bernie's supporters and Hillary's supporters clinging to the past. I personally didn't want Bernie to run again, not because of him, the individual, but for the same reason I didn't want Hillary running again this time. BECAUSE of the  shit I am still seeing. The candidates as individuals ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, the lack of unity in supporting the nominee was back then, and will be again.

I cant see Bernie winning the nomination, not because I hate him, or love Hillary, but in that it it is a bigger field and I see someone else like Biden, or Warren or someone else having a better chance. But ultimately division is not an option.

The Supreme Court, should be the biggest issue in 2020. Giving the orange asshole 8 years will fuck things up even worse. 

PLEASE LIBERALS, let go of the past, there is too much at stake to be divided this time around.

why is division not an option?

you want people to unify behind them? why should anyone do that? what policy positions are they gonna propose that people can unify behind?

what makes Biden any better? What policy positions does he have that make him better than Bernie?


PICK YOUR BATTLES.

Politics is not a purity test. Change is a bottom up push, not a top down mandate. For one to get a politician to do what you want, that person needs support, REGARDLESS of whom you vote for. The climate of a party platform is not changed solely at the top. Change starts at the local level every day every year long term. 

I do value the debate of policy and ideas. But we do not live in a utopia where one party or one candidate gets 100% of what they want all the time.

I am not voting for Bernie in the primaries this time, nor would I vote for Hillary in the primaries if she decided to run. Not because I hate either of them, I love both of them. This time I think democrats are going to have a far better shot with new blood. But I am still going to vote democrat in the general regardless.

Any policy issues have to be discussed every day regardless and especially in midterms. 

There is a time to have those fights, and a time not to. Primaries are for showing the differences, the general is about getting the office.

Purity is not the way you defeat Trump.

(February 20, 2019 at 10:34 am)DLJ Wrote:
(February 20, 2019 at 10:11 am)Brian37 Wrote: It is going to vary from individual just like "atheist" also does not mean we agree on all things all the time.

But as a general description, "liberal" IN GENERAL is someone who values pluralism and values workers stability. There is still going to be disagreement even among liberals as to how to go about fostering that.
...

US politics is plagued with weak semantics.

No wonder their media finds it so easy to manipulate muddled minds.

Confusedigh:

So atheists all agree on all issues all the time? 

No? So why would "liberal" mean they are sheep either?

"Atheist" is a general term meaning "off", but that is all we have in common. Outside that we do not agree on politics or economics or religion 100% of the time.

Liberals are no different. In general we agree in protecting pluralism and worker stability. But that does not mean we all agree on how to get to those goals.
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Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 9:20 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by DLJ - February 20, 2019 at 9:35 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 10:11 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by DLJ - February 20, 2019 at 10:34 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 11:19 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 11:32 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by DLJ - February 21, 2019 at 7:59 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 9:42 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 10:00 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 10:11 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 10:20 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 10:14 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 10:28 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 10:44 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 10:56 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Cepheus Ace - February 20, 2019 at 10:21 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 10:39 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by DLJ - February 20, 2019 at 9:14 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by brewer - February 20, 2019 at 10:38 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 10:57 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by brewer - February 20, 2019 at 11:07 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 11:08 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Cepheus Ace - February 20, 2019 at 11:24 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Shell B - February 20, 2019 at 11:45 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 11:58 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by brewer - February 20, 2019 at 12:16 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Shell B - February 20, 2019 at 12:56 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Shell B - February 20, 2019 at 12:09 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 12:28 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Shell B - February 20, 2019 at 12:58 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 1:17 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 1:18 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 1:32 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 1:41 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 1:51 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 2:40 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 3:06 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 3:14 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 3:23 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 4:18 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 4:27 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 4:47 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 5:04 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 5:16 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Cepheus Ace - February 20, 2019 at 11:20 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Grandizer - February 20, 2019 at 11:23 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Cepheus Ace - February 20, 2019 at 11:59 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 12:24 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 5:21 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 5:39 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 5:46 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 5:56 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 6:04 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 6:23 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 6:32 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 6:50 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 7:42 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 9:02 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 9:05 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Grandizer - February 20, 2019 at 8:46 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 8:59 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 9:08 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 9:13 pm

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