Evolution and Christianity and Salvation

[pocaracas]

Thanks for reminding me about this thread.... I had forgotten that I had something to answer...

Here I though it all came from this:

Matthew 17:19
[17]Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven. [18]And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. [19]I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

then 1 why did paul build the church as we know it? and not peter?

Why indeed...?
Why was the church built by someone who never had any contact with the source material?... but still being able to trace it's heads all the way back to Peter?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes#1st_century

It is a very poorly told story and concocted from a very thin basis on reality.

I could tell you about the road to Damascus, going through Qumran, where Paul, somehow, got his vision or epiphany, or whatever...
I could tell you that history is written by the victors...

But you don't care about reality and human psychology, so why should I waste my time with you?

Peter's vision of the church was to have everyone convert to judaism first meaning the men had to be circumcized first! Paul and peter in the scripture have it out several times over this issue and peter conceeds his way is wrong yet he continues to minister to the messianic jews and does little in the way of contributing to the gentile church which is what the church is or has been since the 3rd century.. That was Paul's church/the gentile church as peter's church was jewish converts only.

Isn't it curious how the man who was actually with the alleged son of god had a view so close to the pre-existing jewish?

2 let's break down this passage in the greek it actually starts in verse 13 of mat 16 (not 17)

I don't care about the Greek. Paul was from Asia Minor (today's Turkey), where he spoke his Greek.
But Peter and Jesus were from Israel, where they spoke Aramaic.
Don't show me a biased text from the victor. Show me the actual history in the original location. It doesn't exist, does it? Why would that be?!

Look back at history and we will find very little past the book of acts and the 2 books written with his name in them did peter contribute. while the church or every jesus Christ centered church (established by paul not peter/who also went on to write 2/3s of the New testament) established the church on the confession peter made.

You are aware that there was a gospel by Peter that the Church, established by Paul, ended up not including in the bible, right? Geeee, I wonder why?!!!


Human philosophical difference of opinion should have no bearing on the divine intent... But clearly you are trying to sell a story where human opinion rules, while pretending (and convincing yourself of it in the process) that the rules come from the divine.

As I have been writing on this forum for years, it's all people. All made up by people, for people. Both to comfort and to control people. Made by well meaning people and also by ruthless people. Made by people who were convinced of the truthfulness of what they said and wrote, and by people who made it up.