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Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED.
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RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED.
(February 20, 2019 at 12:09 pm)Shell B Wrote: So, if Bernie doesn't win the primary, and I still vote for him, will you blame me? Bernie didn't get the nom, and I didn't vote for Clinton.

No. In the primaries I support whomever you want to vote for.

In the general however, if you sit out, or protest vote or hold grudges because your person didn't get the nomination, that is when it becomes a problem for me.

The sad thing about 2016 is most of the Bernie and Hillary supporters DID vote for Hillary. But there was just enough grudge holders that didn't help.

My point is there is too much at stake for grudges or purity tests.

Vote for whomever you wish in the primaries. But even if your person wins the nomination, one election does not change the climate in terms of years or decades.  It still amounts to a long term strategy.

Again if Bernie wins, or Warren wins, or Harris wins, or Booker wins, or Beto wins, or Bidin wins, it is still one office, it is still one year, and that winner will still have to deal with any GOP with their own oversight checks.

Again, the key is not one election, or one politician, but long term strategy. 

I don't blame you personally. I do blame dems  AS A CLIMATE not having focus and not thinking long term. 

If you can't get 100% of what you want, your ideal perfect candidate, what do you do then?

In 2016 I would have voted for Bernie if he had won the nomination. Just like I voted for Hillary because she won the nomination. Just like I voted for Obama twice. 

But again, Bernie, Hillary, Obama, it is still one office. And for the economic pendulum to swing where we want it to go, it also matters whom we put locally, at the state level, and in congress every mid term too.

As a liberal, right now, at this point in history, there is only one "grudge" to be had right now. Every time the fucker says something bigoted, every time he kisses the ass of dictators, every time he attacks our allies, every time he ignores or attacks his own intel, every time he attacks the free press, ask yourself if you want another 4 years of that? Ask yourself if other GOP candidates see that as a winning strategy how much more damage can be done even after he leaves office.

We are not living in an age of politics as normal, so we need to pick our battles.
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Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 9:20 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by DLJ - February 20, 2019 at 9:35 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 10:11 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by DLJ - February 20, 2019 at 10:34 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 11:19 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 11:32 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by DLJ - February 21, 2019 at 7:59 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 9:42 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 10:00 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 10:11 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 10:20 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 10:14 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 10:28 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 10:44 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 10:56 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Cepheus Ace - February 20, 2019 at 10:21 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 10:39 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by DLJ - February 20, 2019 at 9:14 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by brewer - February 20, 2019 at 10:38 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 10:57 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by brewer - February 20, 2019 at 11:07 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 11:08 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Cepheus Ace - February 20, 2019 at 11:24 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Shell B - February 20, 2019 at 11:45 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 11:58 am
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by brewer - February 20, 2019 at 12:16 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Shell B - February 20, 2019 at 12:56 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Shell B - February 20, 2019 at 12:09 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 12:28 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Shell B - February 20, 2019 at 12:58 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 1:17 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 1:18 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 1:32 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 1:41 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 1:51 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 2:40 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 3:06 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 3:14 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 3:23 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 4:18 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 4:27 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 4:47 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 5:04 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 5:16 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Cepheus Ace - February 20, 2019 at 11:20 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Grandizer - February 20, 2019 at 11:23 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Cepheus Ace - February 20, 2019 at 11:59 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 12:24 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 5:21 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 5:39 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 5:46 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 5:56 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 6:04 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 6:23 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 6:32 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 6:50 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 7:42 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 9:02 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 9:05 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by awty - February 20, 2019 at 9:10 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Grandizer - February 20, 2019 at 8:46 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 8:59 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Yonadav - February 20, 2019 at 9:08 pm
RE: Stop Re litigating 2016 liberals /OP ED. - by Brian37 - February 20, 2019 at 9:13 pm

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