Surreal day on the job...more of the same on the way.

[Drich]

Did you not know on Jesus' last moments as a free man he wanted to goto the garden of gethsemane to pray, and he knew he would be confronted or maybe killed along the way. so he told his disciples to arm themselves.

That is certainly an interesting interpretation.

In fact, Jesus tells them to buy swords, but makes no mention of them marching armed to Gethsemane.  Indeed, with His very next breath He says "For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me".  What is written will not be accomplished if His disciples fight off those coming to take Him to His pre-ordained destiny.   And just an hour later, when one of them does brandish a weapon, Jesus admonishes him to "Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

Most interpretations take the earlier injunction to 'sell their garments and buy a sword' as a metaphor for the perils the disciples would face going forward, once Jesus was gone, and not as a call to a Christian arms race.[/quoe] I'm aware of what the interpretation say. which is why I said the swords where for the journey along the way... It is obvious the swords where not to fend off the temple guards to whom judas betrayed jesus too, as you pointed out Jesus admonishes peter for using it. but you can not deny that very sword would not be there if not for His command. which means it's purpose took place between the orer to buy them and peter cutting the ear off the gaurd..

Not only that the expense but the imminent danger/threat of selling your outer garment (due to exposure to the cold) to buy a sword that without this garment could not be concealed. which means that there was a greater danger closer at hand than freezing to death but was over when the temple gaurds arrived. which means the swords where a none verbal threat for all who came across them without having to confront which is why I said they were for confrontation or a viable threat along the way.

Living by the sword means training and depending on the sword for life. however Christ did use the sword to back down people without saying a word to them as their journey was uneventful.

Jesus had it with in him to single handedly disarm all of them, and he infact did so with a single word that dropped the gaurds to their knees. Despite this his disciples did infact bring swords/mechanical means to defend themselves. Why? because not every situation needs the supernatural intervention of God.

That doesn't make sense.

why? Is your idea of God so limited that he can only move supernaturally??? If say bounty hunter looking to cash in on the temple reward saw an opportunity to take rocks and beat the disciples and capture or try and kill jesus on the way to the garden.. Jesus like with the soldiers could have knocked them down without nothing more than a single word from his mouth... but rather than that he used the mechanical means of arming his entarague with swords.. so then when/if men of opportunity saw them but also saw that they were armed with proper swords... Swords beat rock as a matter of course no supernatural intervention needed.. no words needed.. no threats.. nothing more than a glance was needed to ensure safe passage with a man and a bunch of guys with swords. Jesus obviously have no intention of using the swords but demanded them to each carry one.. the only other purpose to having a sword besides killing someone it to look like you are able especially in a group.

I mean, sure, if Jesus is taking a siesta, or God has gone fishing for the weekend, then maybe the disciples need to look out for themselves for a while.

but why in your world is God only able to do things supernaturally? Look at Jesus' teachings... where they supernatural? or just mind blowingly indepth and powerful on their own?
Christ has a history of using common things to produce Godly results.

But He is right there with them.  If God has supernatural powers that can accomplish such miracles, why not  use them all the time?  Is there some supernatural energy source that gets depleted, if He uses it too much?   If Jesus drops all the swords with a word, or walks on water, does he have to high-tail it to some heavenly power battery to recharge, like Green Lantern and his power ring?

what where the temptations of Christ about (not the scorsese movie) but the real temptations? one was turning bread to stone one was to jump off the temple's highest point and have the angels catch him infront of everyone so they would know who he is.. In those two the sin was abuse of his power to meet his personal need. or want. that was his whole purpose to go to the garden as it was quiet and he could pray to find out how much of this upcoming punishment could he avoid or abade. to not us is power in a self serving way, but in a way to serve God.

If you look at when Jesus uses his power it is to bring glory to God and to establish his power and authority as a representative to God. minus turning water to wine which he even says is not my place to do but did for his family.

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So what the problem is?

Do you mean to say your hate for christians is like that of whites who hated blackpeople back at the beginning of the 20th centry? are you so disgusted by christians that you can't do your job?

Or is your understanding of god so limited that the protocols and cameras to you are evidences of no God?

Did you not know on Jesus' last moments as a free man he wanted to goto the garden of gethsemane to pray, and he knew he would be confronted or maybe killed along the way. so he told his disciples to arm themselves. Jesus had it with in him to single handedly disarm all of them, and he infact did so with a single word that dropped the gaurds to their knees. Despite this his disciples did infact bring swords/mechanical means to defend themselves. Why? because not every situation needs the supernatural intervention of God. meaning if we have it with in our ablity to watch with cameras then we are to watch with cameras.

or do you simply not like the accountability the camera put on you?

Wow.  It's nasty-assed Christians like you that give Christians a bad name.  Your post was so uncalled-for and over the top that I found myself searching in the rep section here for the first time to check for sure to see if there was any way I could give you a negative rep.  You are a shame to your people.

Christians are just people sport. Do you really see an enemy when you read what I write? I see a brother or even myself in alot of what you all write. the only difference I don't hate God nor to I hate those who hate God. again just people like my self and If I wrote what you wrote it would have been for the reasons I listed. Either I would just be bigoted, did not understand how God works or did not want the accountability of being watched. I mean if you went to a bank and worked you would be under the same scrutiny all the time so what would be the difference here?

Perception on how the church works or you hate people who don't think like you do. and you quick judgement to me seems to suggest the latter of the two