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New Zealand Bans Manifesto
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RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto
(March 23, 2019 at 6:23 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: This is wrong, wrong, WRONG.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic...d=12215573

Quote:Chief censor David Shanks confirmed the move on Saturday, urging anyone who had copies of it to destroy them.

Ok, because this material is objectionable, it is now unlawful to have it in your possession.

Quote:Most people reading the publication will not be harmed by it, the statement said.

"Most New Zealanders who have read this will simply find it repellent. But most New Zealanders are not the target audience. It is aimed at a small group who may be receptive to its hateful, racist and violent ideology, and who may be inspired to follow the example set by its apparent author."

That's REALLY not the government's place to decide.

'Whenever a government says "This you may not read, this you may not see, this you are forbidden to know", the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how noble the motives.' - Heinlein

Boru

This gets a "depends" from me.

You don't keep "Mien Kampf" because you advocate that vile crap, you keep it as a reminder as to what not to do to your fellow human beings. 

But if someone is keeping it because they believe it, that gets into the realm of advocating violence to promote hate and bigotry. And that should never be protected speech.

I think that is the intent of NZ. Not to silence free speech, but to prevent advocating violence.

Even in America, we've had court cases that held the KKK responsible for acts of violence and people were arrested and or successfully sued for advocating violence.

I don't think the intent is to silence free speech. 

I do think it belongs in history, for the same reason Nazis are displayed in the Holocaust Museum. But no, it should not be widely promoted as a valid form of protest or dissent.

Same with Civil War Statues of the South. They do not belong on public property, they belong in museums of what not to do to your fellow human being. 

Even today in Germany, and I think rightfully so, it is illegal to promote holocaust denial.

Some speech is simply dangerous rhetoric that goes beyond mere offending and dissent. "Who gets to decide" what that is, is a valid subject. All I am saying is I do not think that is NZ's intent.
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New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 23, 2019 at 6:23 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by downbeatplumb - March 23, 2019 at 6:30 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 23, 2019 at 6:58 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by bennyboy - March 23, 2019 at 6:23 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Little lunch - March 23, 2019 at 6:52 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by WinterHold - March 23, 2019 at 7:22 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Yonadav - March 23, 2019 at 9:52 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by brewer - March 23, 2019 at 4:40 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2019 at 10:30 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by epronovost - March 23, 2019 at 12:39 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Brian37 - March 23, 2019 at 12:43 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Duty - March 23, 2019 at 12:55 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Yonadav - March 23, 2019 at 1:10 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Brian37 - March 23, 2019 at 1:16 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by epronovost - March 23, 2019 at 1:23 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2019 at 1:15 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by The Grand Nudger - March 23, 2019 at 1:29 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Fireball - March 23, 2019 at 1:47 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Brian37 - March 23, 2019 at 2:12 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by arewethereyet - March 23, 2019 at 2:52 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by epronovost - March 23, 2019 at 3:14 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by arewethereyet - March 23, 2019 at 3:22 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Brian37 - March 23, 2019 at 3:54 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Sal - March 23, 2019 at 2:59 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 23, 2019 at 4:36 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Fireball - March 23, 2019 at 6:23 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by bennyboy - March 23, 2019 at 6:24 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Amarok - March 23, 2019 at 7:08 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 23, 2019 at 7:42 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Amarok - March 23, 2019 at 8:15 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by chimp3 - March 23, 2019 at 8:20 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Amarok - March 23, 2019 at 8:28 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by chimp3 - March 23, 2019 at 8:37 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Brian37 - March 23, 2019 at 8:40 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Amarok - March 23, 2019 at 8:44 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by chimp3 - March 23, 2019 at 7:44 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Brian37 - March 23, 2019 at 8:20 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by arewethereyet - March 23, 2019 at 8:28 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Brian37 - March 23, 2019 at 8:34 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by arewethereyet - March 23, 2019 at 9:07 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by chimp3 - March 23, 2019 at 8:22 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Brian37 - March 23, 2019 at 8:27 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by chimp3 - March 23, 2019 at 8:48 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Brian37 - March 23, 2019 at 8:55 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by chimp3 - March 23, 2019 at 9:00 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Brian37 - March 23, 2019 at 9:15 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by chimp3 - March 23, 2019 at 9:21 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Amarok - March 23, 2019 at 8:29 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Brian37 - March 23, 2019 at 9:27 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by chimp3 - March 23, 2019 at 9:33 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Rev. Rye - March 23, 2019 at 9:39 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Amarok - March 24, 2019 at 4:24 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Equinox25 - March 24, 2019 at 4:52 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 24, 2019 at 7:20 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Yonadav - March 24, 2019 at 8:28 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Athene - March 24, 2019 at 4:19 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Equinox25 - March 24, 2019 at 6:34 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2019 at 10:19 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Yonadav - March 24, 2019 at 10:46 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2019 at 10:49 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Yonadav - March 24, 2019 at 11:00 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Rev. Rye - March 24, 2019 at 11:17 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2019 at 11:22 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Sal - March 24, 2019 at 11:55 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Yonadav - March 24, 2019 at 12:30 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Yonadav - March 24, 2019 at 11:38 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2019 at 11:45 am
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 24, 2019 at 12:19 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2019 at 12:29 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2019 at 12:47 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Athene - March 24, 2019 at 12:50 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2019 at 12:51 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Sal - March 24, 2019 at 7:55 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by Amarok - March 24, 2019 at 8:49 pm
RE: New Zealand Bans Manifesto - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2019 at 9:00 pm

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