Do you wish there's a god?

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Oh, boy...
Why do you keep treating "truth" as something that exists independently of a statement?

True statement are descriptions of reality. That which these statement refer exists independently of the statement itself. Statement that are contrary to reality are false statements. A statement is only true in so much as it an accurate description of reality.

You fail to distinguish false statement, from true statements, or subjective statements. What distinguishes a true statement from a false statement, is that true statements are accurate reflections of reality while false ones are not.

I'm starting to think that you have an inherent difficulty in distinguishing reality from whatever is this thing you call "truth”’



And I’m starting to think your just some solipsist, or some sort factual relativist.

I disagree...

Given that the moral aspect applies to the society, it is then seen as a unique set to a particular society, while some preferences may be different to different societies... which is clearly what we observe in human history.

But perhaps you mean something like this: That our strong feelings of disgust leads us to falsely believe that morality exist objectively. We feel the wrongness of something so strongly we can’t believe it’s just an internal biological sensation, we’re compelled to believe something like a moral law out there in the fabric of reality, like a mirage?

Hey!!! You do get it!

Here you go contradicting yourself. Assuming the last indicated position is true. Because of our strong evolutionary underpinnings we are led to a false belief in an objective moral reality, a moral law out there. If we are led to believe this, then when we speak of morality we are speaking of it as objectively true, as based on a transcend moral law, etc.., not the way we speak of our feelings, or the current opinions of our society. 

Even if the objective observer recognizes that our beliefs our false, he still recognizes that the genre in which our perceptions and beliefs fall into resembles the way we refer to objective truths.

This shouldn’t be this hard for you to understand?

Your own thoughts here seem to be all over the place, searching for something that sticks, but lacks any consistency. You go back and forth between false beliefs that arose out of our evolutionary makeup, to the consensus agreements of societies. 

When I say torturing innocent babies just for fun is wrong, what I am not saying is that it’s wrong because society agrees it’s wrong, that is not what’s being expressed. I am asserting that which I see as objectively true, a perception of reality itself, and not the current social opinion, or my personal feelings. 

Let’s assume it’s a mirage, an illusion. That even though it appears to me that moral reality exists, it’s really just false belief, that I’ve been led to hold as a result of strong evolutionary emotions and feelings. That which I perceive as real is not real, I’m just fooled by evolution into thinking so. 

But you fail to realize why any of us should believe that which we perceive as real here is not real. Rather than an illusion of moral reality, a moral reality exist. The only reason why I should not believe it exists, is based on presupposition that such a reality can’t exist, so I need to find some excuse to dismiss it, or claim  it’s not real. It’s dictated by your atheism, and you just fail to acknowledge it.
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