RE: Do you wish there's a god?
March 30, 2019 at 1:29 pm
(This post was last modified: March 30, 2019 at 1:32 pm by Simon Moon.)
(March 27, 2019 at 5:52 pm)Acrobat Wrote:(March 26, 2019 at 11:23 am)Simon Moon Wrote: I have no barrier that prevents me from belief.
I am able to believe anything that is supported by: demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic.
If your version of a god was able to meet the above criteria, I would be compelled (by my intellectual honesty) to believe it exists. But please note, just because I would then believe it exists (if the case for its existence met the above criteria), does not mean I would be compelled to worship it.
Of course you have barriers to beliefs, after all you’re not a robot, but a biological human being, in which our beliefs shape who we are and how we interact and relate to the world.
You are correct, but not in the way you think you are.
The only barrier I have to belief, is that the claim must meet the following criteria: be supported by demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic.
I am completely open to believe anything that clears the above criteria.
Quote:But here’s a question do you want to believe?
One of my primary motivations in life, is to believe as many true things, and disbelieve as many false things, as possible.
It is not about what I 'want' to believe, it is about what is warranted to believe.
Quote:If so I think it’s pretty easy to believe that we’re a part of a created order, that life has a narrative arc, possessing a moral order, in which we recognize right and wrong, that the sheer beauty and excessiveness, complexity and depth of life, our desire for meaning, truth, goodness, a sense of something more, provide an adequate enough basis for anyone looking to believe to believe.
Sure, to those that don't understand good standards of evidence, valid and sound logic, fallacious thinking, it is easy to believe all you mention. Just because it is easy to believe those things, doesn't mean that there are good reasons to believe those things.
To bad, none of those things are actually demonstrable or supported by valid and sound logic.
Most people believe those things, because the are guilty of the fallacy of personal incredulity. "I can't explain how those things came about, so it must have been gods".
Quote:It’s only not sufficient for those who desire not to believe.
Yes, I admit, flawed logic, lack of demonstrable evidence, wishful thinking, are not sufficient for me to believe. Why is it my fault that you god fails to provide me with those things?
Sorry, but your way of thinking is indistinguishable from gullibility, as far as I can see. I don't want any part of it.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.