(April 1, 2019 at 6:24 pm)fredd bear Wrote:(April 1, 2019 at 5:33 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: So atheists are "lost, bewildered and disappointed"? Nobody told me.
Do you not realise that is an old and very lame christian myth?
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I wasn't aware that atheists are an homogenous group. .
My position is the meaning of life isn't at all complicated or hard to understand. There isn't one.* The purpose of life is itself.
As far as human beings go generally, not just atheists, I agree with Voltaire, who said "most men lead lives of quiet desperation"
Not a popular view. I tend to accept it because one of my self labels is 'cynic'.
* this view is supported by the philosophical argument that a fact justifies its own existence. Reference: "The Is Ought question" A series of essays, about which I remember very little, having read it over 40 years ago. It's still in print
That's actually Thoreau not Voltaire. I also didn't mean just atheists, but most people in general.
I think it's an entirely sympathetic view to see life as absent of any meaning. There seems to be all sorts of people selling us on different meaning, that end up being far more disappointing than meaningful. I remember being a kid, looking up to older guys who were cool, and popular , and which we idolized. But as I got older I learned of how much of a disappointment they became, sad men incapable of sustaining a marriage, raising kids, or life itself, stuck so much to the versions of their older glory which is no more.
The lives of most people seem terribly sad, and this seems to have nothing to do with their careers, or how much money they make, how nice their house is, whether they're married or not, etc..... If that's all we've ever seen in the world, then it's easy to conclude that there is no meaning to any of this, not even ones we can supposedly create, all roads ultimately lead to meaninglessness.