RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 5, 2019 at 3:57 am
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2019 at 4:14 am by Acrobat.)
(April 4, 2019 at 6:46 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Then you are basing your moral compulsions on a subjective state. That's an easy morality. Doing what you find beautiful, avoiding what you find ugly. I'd wager that a person doesn't even need moral agency at all to accomplish that.
Human share a core universal morality, that underlies nearly all of our moral perceptions and beliefs. Call it a product of our evolution. What motivates our perceptions here isn't unique to each person, but rather shared in common with each other. I don't have an easy morality, and you have a non-easy morality. Anymore so then similar moral behaviors observed in monkeys, is distinct among them. The reason you see that its wrong to torture innocent babies just for fun, and I see it as wrong, is not the result of our brains taking two different paths to see that conclusion, but rather our brain used a similar pattern or perception to recognize it. Now maybe you'll articulate some convoluted justification, that aligns with your particular moral philosophy, but that explanation, is one you're making after the fact, and not the basis for why you see it as wrong.
Quote:Where realism, and realist compulsion is useful and comes into play..is when every option available is ugly...downright repulsive. When you find yourself doing something other than chasing whatever it is you may find beautiful. Or when the bad thing is completely seductive.
I love my wife, love is a thing of beauty. I'd do a variety of ugly things, like kill you if you try to harm my family, in servitude to that beauty. If the bad is more seductive than the good, you'd do the bad. If evolution made bad more appealing than doing good, we'd all being doing bad more often than the good.
Quote:We've already agreed that moral values can coincide with aesthetic values, they just aren't content equivalent. That's what makes it an equivocation, regardless of how you might find pretty things more compelling than ugly ones. Most of us do, even though we don't find the same things pretty, or ugly. Your compulsion to beauty can backfire...morally, and, case in point.... in this thread.
I think whatever you have in mind about morality, doesn't align to how morality actually functions and works. You seem to imagine some sort of conceptions of morality as something done like a mathematical calculation, which is a false belief. Morality, particularly if you consider it in an evolutionary sense, works by the basis of aesthetics, the attractiveness of certain behaviors, and the unattractiveness of others. Making some good behaviors more biologically compelling than some bad ones, such as it's more attractive for a mother to stay with their children, than abandon them, it relies on attaching strong feelings and emotions to things.