RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 5, 2019 at 10:50 am
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2019 at 11:10 am by Acrobat.)
(April 5, 2019 at 9:56 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Your morality may be based on aesthetics, the attractiveness or unattractiveness of an idea...in which case it's a subjective morality.
This is silly. I’m a biological being, and my morality as it functions and operates, or in the real world, and not just some convoluted thought in my head, is shared in common with every other human being. If you imagine your moral perceptions operate differently than other human being like myself, your beliefs are just rubbish, complete nonsense. It’s more a product of wishing your moral perceptions to operate differently, than how they actually operate. There’s no real correlation between moral reasoning, the sort you built you built your silly moral philosophical view on, and proactive moral behavior.
You just lack the self-awareness, to recognize that we function as biological beings, and not robots or calculators.
Quote:You could, if you weren't such a complete tool, accept that I can see ugliness where you see beauty, even if we both see that thing as good, lol.
I see ugliness exactly where you see ugly. Such as its ugly to kill people, even when done for good reasons. But I don’t conflate the means with the ends. I agree the means can be ugly. Killing someone to protect the family I love might be ugly. But the wellbeing of my family is something I’m drawn, attracted to preserve, is precious.
You just fail to acknowledge that beauty, aesthetic aspects of what I’m speaking of are in regards to moral ends. and the ultimate moral goals, we’re attempting to serve, in which we might use a variety of means ugly and pretty to preserve.
(April 5, 2019 at 10:38 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Everyone should be looking for reasons not to believe claims and affirm their unbelief.
You'd have to fight against your biological makeup for that. Our brains are setup to rewards us for affirming the beliefs we hold. The reward centers of both atheist and theists brains light up when affirming these positions. Particularly since such beliefs are connected our conceptions of self, and our identify.
I can tell just from observation, everyone here holds there particular beliefs and views quite strongly. Is far more inclined to fight tooth and nail, even when hanging on a thread to preserve their beliefs, then looking to no longer believe them.
Quote:Everyone should only believe claims that stand up to scrutiny. You can believe anything at all if you reject critical examination as the proper tool for evaluating claims. You seem to already know this at a fundamental level, given your propensity for claiming the virtues of 'sophisticated theology' while remaining very reluctant to actually present what it is you find so convincing about it.
I'm not reluctant to say why I'm convinced of theism, and if I expressed a variety of reasons for that. I'm just not inclined to try and convince strangers on the internet to believe as I do, because that's a fools errand. It's also a lot more interesting to hear atheists suggest why I ought not to believe as I do, or draw the conclusions I do, then just repeating how they're not convinced of it themselves.
(April 5, 2019 at 10:01 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Right Wing Christian Fundamentalists aren't just low-hanging fruit. They're a threat to civil society and democratic governance, s 'the ground of all being', I care if they want to force women to complete dangerous pregnancies.
You're living in a bygone era dude. Christian Fundamentalism as a political force, died with the election of Trump. It's non-religious, secular right wing influences that seem to be on the rise everywhere. That and folks on the far left, and the politics of resentment that fuels them.
Pretty much all the prominent atheist figures have abandoned the fight against religion, and more obsessed about the culture wars, feminism, pc culture, etc...
You need to get with the times.