RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 8, 2019 at 2:14 pm
(This post was last modified: April 8, 2019 at 2:27 pm by Acrobat.)
(April 5, 2019 at 2:12 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: When I talk about childish arguments this is the sort of thing I mean. It is the mindset of a toddler.
I am not joking there is litterallya stage of brain development where people look for reasons for things to exist.
In the mind of a two year old fish live in the sea, therefore the sea is for fish to live in, if there is a thing with a purpose then obviously there was a purpose giver...
Most people outgrow this and realise that fish live in the sea because that is how they have evolved to be. However some people stay in a childlike mentality and that's one of the reasons for religion.
You’re right about one thing. That we perceive a reality as product of purpose, that it possess a meaning, and that recognition is observed even in toddlers, even among those not raised in a children’s home.
But it’s false that most people outgrow this perception, when in fact this perceptions just matures and grows as we get older. The only people that don’t believe this are a minority, the handful of atheists, most of whom don’t even deny that it’s true, they just claim to lack a belief in it, while avoiding committing to any sort antithesis view, like nihilism.
I also don’t think, thoughtful people, would see teleological statements such MLK “The Arc of the Moral universe” as childish, or the various beliefs that drove the civil rights movements, that where built on unwavering beliefs in such a telelogical moral order. Or at least the antithesis beliefs, or lack of beliefs among unbelievers on such concepts, don’t appear anymore adult like.
(April 5, 2019 at 2:00 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: What god is made of?
How god does his godding?
Where did it exist before the universe/time existed?
What do any of those questions, have to do with any of the beliefs or claims I made here?
(April 5, 2019 at 3:17 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Poetic as all that is, it’s still a mere assertion.
Either it's true, or its antithesis is true.
It seems to me that your typical atheist or unbeliever, refrains from one view of the other, lacks a belief one way or the other, unable to commit to one view or the other, in a perpetual state of know nothingness limbo.
In my view one ought to consider both views, a reality that signifies something, and one in which it's all sound and fury signifying nothing, and ask themselves which of these view makes better sense out of their experience of life and reality, their moral perceptions, conceptions of meaning, etc...., and I think the more one honestly reflects on the question, rather than avoid it, it starts to become evident that it does appear to be about something.