(April 8, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Acrobat Wrote: [quote='downbeatplumb' pid='1897897' dateline='1554487971']
When I talk about childish arguments this is the sort of thing I mean. It is the mindset of a toddler.
I am not joking there is litterallya stage of brain development where people look for reasons for things to exist.
In the mind of a two year old fish live in the sea, therefore the sea is for fish to live in, if there is a thing with a purpose then obviously there was a purpose giver...
Most people outgrow this and realise that fish live in the sea because that is how they have evolved to be. However some people stay in a childlike mentality and that's one of the reasons for religion.
(April 8, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Acrobat Wrote: You’re right about one thing. That we perceive a reality as product of purpose, that it possess a meaning, and that recognition is observed even in toddlers, even among those not raised in a children’s home.
That is because it is an early stage of human development.
(April 8, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Acrobat Wrote: But it’s false that most people outgrow this perception,
Actually we usually move beyond that stage at about five years old.
(April 8, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Acrobat Wrote: when in fact this perceptions just matures and grows as we get older. The only people that don’t believe this are a minority,
In more backwards societies perhaps, but only due to the infantilising effect of religion.
(April 8, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Acrobat Wrote: the handful of atheists, most of whom don’t even deny that it’s true, they just claim to lack a belief in it, while avoiding committing to any sort antithesis view, like nihilism.
Why should they, all they have to do is not find god convincing.
(April 8, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Acrobat Wrote: I also don’t think, thoughtful people, would see teleological statements such MLK “The Arc of the Moral universe” as childish, or the various beliefs that drove the civil rights movements, that where built on unwavering beliefs in such a telelogical moral order. Or at least the antithesis beliefs, or lack of beliefs among unbelievers on such concepts, don’t appear anymore adult like.
And yet anything a theist can do in the name of theism an atheist can do just because they are nice.
(April 5, 2019 at 2:00 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: What god is made of?
How god does his godding?
Where did it exist before the universe/time existed?
(April 8, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Acrobat Wrote: What do any of those questions, have to do with any of the beliefs or claims I made here?
They show that you have not established what a god is, so why should I give any idea about it any credence.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.