RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 9:42 am
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2019 at 9:43 am by Acrobat.)
(April 9, 2019 at 9:36 am)Thoreauvian Wrote:(April 9, 2019 at 9:30 am)Acrobat Wrote: I think atheists that subscribe to moral realism, are sort of like YECs. They might have developed their own systems and libraries of arguments defending and articulating their views, and this might work to satisfy other YECs, but is seen as convoluted, and contradictory nonsense to everyone outside their circle.
I think atheists who believe in objective morality, believe it more so because they want it along with their atheism to be true, than for any truly compelling reason. They think they’ve resolved the is ought problem, and fail to recognize why they continually fail to resolve it.
Please explain to me how objective morality based on relative human nature (rather than, say, the interests of ants) is "convoluted and contradictory nonsense."
The "ought" problem is only a problem if you don't recognize it as based on if-then statements. For example: "IF you want a civil society, THEN you ought to police murders." In other words, relative morality -- relative to human thriving.
You mean relative to those who hold the goal/ought to do what's best for human thriving?
If I don't hold such a goal, then would you say I have no such moral oughts here? That the wrongness of torturing innocent babies just for fun might be true for you, but not for me.
Or in other words for your objective morality to work, it relies on people to subscribe to a subjective goal like doing what's best for human thriving?