RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 11:42 am
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2019 at 11:48 am by Acrobat.)
(April 9, 2019 at 11:03 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:(April 9, 2019 at 9:18 am)Thoreauvian Wrote: I think Robvalue and other atheists who think morality is subjective are laboring under a false dichotomy. Absolute objectivity or subjectivity are not the only choices. Objectivity can be relative too. I think it is perfectly reasonable to be an atheist who supports objective morality rather than moral nihilism if one acknowledges that morality is relative to human concerns rather than merely subjective. We do, after all, possess common objective characteristics, our human nature, upon which we can build our moral considerations.
Exactly this. It absolutely is a false dichotomy. Setting goals for the common well being of a society, and then arriculating a moral code that governs society with those objectives in mind is not anything so whimsical or simplistic as whether or not a person likes pizza. If you start with agreed upon objectives (well-being, minimizing harm, etc), actions can then be deemed objectively right or wrong within the framework of those foundational goals.
First of all our taste in food isn't simplistic of whimsical. You ever heard of the Michelin Guide? People pour countless thoughts, criteria, hours etc.. on what constitutes as great food, great dining experience. The rare few restaurants that receive three Michelin stars, are considered traveling all the way across the world, just to try it. In fact they seem to operate on a far more articulated, measurable standard of what constitutes as great here, then atheists articulations of their moral systems, and standards.
So you might have to defend your argument a little better here, to explain why your attempt to gather people who share these goals, to decide what's good and bad, isn't comparable to something like the Michelin Guide for morality.
(April 9, 2019 at 11:36 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: An argument from ignorance, yet again. I don't have to be able to explain any other thing to explain why you are wrong about this thing. If no one could answer that question, you would still be wrong.
aaaaand since your desire for meaning has nothing to do with belief in gods, as expressed by the fact that atheists also desire meaning..it still doesn't matter.
I take your refusal to explain it, as an admission that you can't. That you can't make sense of it a nihilistic worldview.