RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
April 11, 2019 at 2:15 am
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2019 at 2:21 am by Nihilist Virus.)
(April 10, 2019 at 3:19 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You say obviously, but that isn't true, obviously or otherwise. A huge number of abortions are predicated specifically on the state of the child. Be that some terrible birth defect, crippling and miserable poverty, or run of the mill abuse and neglect.
Thought experiment. Consider a fetus which, in your mind, would be better off aborted. Suppose we forgo the abortion. Now wind the clock forward 20 years. Are you going to advise this person to commit suicide? Because they are impoverished or severely disabled or deformed, would your sincere and most helpful form of advice be that they kill themselves? Because if that's not what you would advise, then you would have to agree that their state of life, however suboptimal, is better than nonexistence. Which again funnels back to my point which you disagreed with: that abortion is (obviously) the worst case scenario for the fetus.
Then again, maybe you would advise suicide. I don't know. To be consistent you'd pretty much have to. But I'm not the kind of person who would walk into a school for the disabled and blurt out something like, "Y'all shoulda been aborted, and y'all should kill yourselves."
As for me, I find self preservation to be a compelling drive. Maybe not everyone here feels the same way. Preservation of offspring is certainly not a priority. I get the feeling some people here would be like, "Oh, what's that, doc? My baby has a wart on its face? K, let's just abort and start over."
Quote:The warzone example is just one of many that present a persons own notions of duty bowling over any consideration of the wellbeing of the child. It could be extended to include a third party, where you believe it's your duty to force a female to give birth in a warzone. Now a persons individual duty is bowling over mother and child. Or where a group of people believe that it;s their collective duty to enforce childbirth, as they all..including all of the already born bay-bees...starve. Perhaps, since you like nazi examples...these bay-bees are all starving in a concentration camp. What good is served, what consideration for the as yet unborn child is happening here?
Like I said, a warzone is a place where human wellbeing is hardly a consideration. So the wellbeing of a fetus is not a priority. In a situation where hundreds of people might die brutally in a span of 30 seconds, what the hell does an abortion matter?
Quote:Warzones aren't the only place where the wellbeing of an unwanted child or the wellbeing of an uncooperative mother, or the general wellbeing of every motherfucker apply.
Do you mean "don't apply"?
Quote:Take a look around the world, though, and you'll see the warzone example being carried out daily. Alot of our favorite "Thanks Jesus!" posters are a product of this sort of unhinged moralizing. It may be easier to see in those examples, but the operative bits of the example aren't limited to the most apparent manifestations of the same. The circumstance that make abortion a potential moral good in a warzone or concentration camp don't need a warzone or a concentration camp to be present.
Abortions are not a moral good in a warzone. War is hell. Morality kindly fucks off when we're in war. It's purely tactics. This is why we developed rules of war - because historically it has been so unspeakably terrible.
The only morally good option when it comes to war is to refuse to participate. Because just think about it. What would happen if everyone did that?
(April 10, 2019 at 8:03 pm)Divinity Wrote: Spare me the sanctimonious bullshit. Abortion is not immoral. Shaming women who've had abortions, however, IS immoral. One is a woman making a reproductive choice for herself, and the other is a human being trying to make another human being feel guilty for making that choice. It's just pure bullshit.
Oh, calm your tits. I'm not judging anyone. I went to great pains to say that I eat meat and I think it's morally wrong to do so. So I'm not judging anyone. Abortion is immoral, but no one is being shamed or judged.
(April 10, 2019 at 10:51 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Perhaps he didn't see how an exposition on joshua's battlefield ethics or the moral permissibility of killing twig gatherers would help to answer your question.
Or he's just a spineless apologist like the rest of those lousy fucks.
Jesus is like Pinocchio. He's the bastard son of a carpenter. And a liar. And he wishes he was real.
