(October 10, 2011 at 10:54 am)ThomM Wrote: 1- I am unaware of any provable place called heaven - if YOU are able to provide proof of such a place - please identify the country it is in - as their laws would establish what is possible there
THe problem with "free: will - is that if YOU ACCEPT THE OTHER teachings of the christian church - free will CANNOT exist - even for the god
IF a god is OMNISCIENT FOR ALL TIME - then the only thing that can happen is what the god already knows - period. Even the god cannot make "Choices"
Since free will not only implies the ability to make choices - even choices not already known - but also the existence of more than one choice - since the ONLY THING than can happen if a god were ALL Knowing - is what the god already knows - there are NO Choices - the only thing that could be done - even by the god - would be what is known by the god.
These two opposing claims are one reason why the christian god cannot be real as defined by them. If you actually look at all the claims about the god as the religions of christianity define it - it simply is not possible for all the claims to be true in ONE being.
Hell is eternal punishment...but not torture.
Sorry - hell is proven ONLY to be a city in Michigan
YOU can make up all the fairy tales you want - when YOU can provide proof otherwise - we will address the proof
THE bible is already proven NOT to be a reliable source of truth - as admitted by the major christian sect themselves.
Hell wasnt created by God
Of course not - the god of the bible CANNOT exist as defined and never created anything
. Evil humans forced the creation of Hell to happen.
I would believe that calling all the humans in hell michigan to be evil would be argued against by those people
In a way you are right in saying God does not have complete freewill, He put that on Himself though so that is a totally different argument.
Just because God knows what the future will be it in no way means we do not have freewill. We make choices every day and do not know what will result from a lot of them. I think that you do not understand what freewill is as applied to christianity, you have only two choices, either you accept Christ or not and from there your life is a result of that choice.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
