Bible Study: The God who Lies and Deceives

[Brian37]

Um no D, if one is to claim a God is "all powerful" then saying "cant" negates that power. For a God to be "all powerful" they have to be capable of lying to include any and all actions. Exclude an action, that puts a limit on the word "all".

The better argument, I'd make if I were still a theist would be, "He wouldn't do that, even though he can if he wants to".

But even then, you are stuck with "How would you know?"  What methodology and control groups would help you objectively determine you've been told the truth by such a being?

He cant be "all powerful" if he is incapable of lying, even about an oath.

Catch 22.

If he can't lie then he'd not all powerful. Which means that he lied about being all powerful

Wait, you've done time as White House staff? Sara, is that you?

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So God said something would happen, and he proved what he said by adding an oath. 18 These two things cannot change: God cannot lie when he says something, and he cannot lie when he makes an oath.

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So the question remains Can God lie? according to the passage in hebrews he will not lie under oath. can he lie not under oath? as you pointed out in the OT he indeed can if it suits him.

Then yur next question is is God sinning when he lies?

No.

Why?

creator privilege.
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I think Drich probably has the Bible right here. It's not Drich's fault that's that's what it says. It's not God's fault either.

I think the problem is Christianity's PR department. They put out all this misinformation leading people to think that the Christian God is truthful by his very nature.

No, silly. That's only for oaths. LOL that your stupid ass fell for that schtick. There's a sucker born every minute, right? Read the fine print! There are caveats...

It's not just Yahweh's supposed truthfulness that gets the lawyer treatment from Christianity's PR department either. Do you think Christians really practice "Love your enemies." Well sure, in a way. But there are plenty of caveats there, too. The point is, if a Christian wants to hate their enemy, it isn't too hard for them to lawyer up a reason to make that hatred a-okay with God. Same goes with judgmentalism, vengeance, and, bearing false witness. To Christians, the commandments against these behaviors are more a set of advertising slogans than principles they genuinely live by. Again, read the fine print. There are caveats...

How is it not God's fault? He made everything, started everything. That is the slick part of every religion worldwide. It works until it doesn't and the outsider simply doesn't understand. 

If any believer wants a half assed "still not true" but slightly better argument would be the Jefferson approach, "God started everything, but after it started left us alone".... But even with him, even with Jefferson's trying to strip the bible of magic, not even that attempt, as well intended as it was to Jefferson, negated, that Jesus/God/himself still attempts to interfere with human affairs, from the first page to the last page.

The term is "Cherry picking".