RE: Fox News’ Father Jonathan Morris is Quitting the Priesthood So He Can Have Sex
May 28, 2019 at 9:33 am
(May 25, 2019 at 8:14 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:(May 24, 2019 at 10:18 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: The protestants of the world are spoiled children.
I have a special name for Protestants: diet Catholics. I guess no one has the heart to tell the Protestants that the Catholics were the ones who declared their Bible inerrant. And no one has the heart to point out that "Sola Scriptura" was a mantra designed to refute arguments that Protestants have no "earthly authority." When the Lutherans wanted to split people were like: "You guys are just heathens who don't want to submit to the Church's divinely-ordained authority." But the Protestants (not wanting to look like arrogant schmucks said: "No way! We have the Bible as our authority!" The reason Protestants get so pervy over the Bible has nothing to do with Christ or Christianity. Rather it is... (help me out here, Drich)...
(May 23, 2019 at 10:03 am)Drich Wrote: church tradition/revision
I mean, if the NT is to be believed, one must agree that the Christians spoken of in Acts had only OT scriptures to go by. After all, they were called "Christians" before Paul had a chance to pen many of his letters... And yet "magic book" (if I may borrow GB's terminology) says clearly that they were Christians.
Now we have a conundrum on our hands, don't we? --uh oh!-- The Bible says there were Christians before the Bible existed. Either one does not need the Bible to be Christian (blasphemy!), or the precious holy texts contain an error (blasphemy!).
So which blasphemy is it?
your assumption presupposes it has to be one or the other...
But again sport when CHRIST was asked... which commands do we follow/which where the most important, the key is in his response.
34 The Pharisees learned that Jesus had made the Sadducees look so foolish that they stopped trying to argue with him. So the Pharisees had a meeting. 35 Then one of them, an expert in the Law of Moses, asked Jesus a question to test him. 36 He said, “Teacher, which command in the law is the most important?”
37 Jesus answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and most important command. 39 And the second command is like the first: ‘Love your neighbor[d] the same as you love yourself.’[e] 40 All of the law and the writings of the prophets take their meaning from these two commands.”
Because if Jesus was to set up another works based religion now is the time he dictates his book of deuteronomy/his book of the law. but rather than spew out a list of rules and regulations what did he say? what words would that first group of Christian have from the mouth of christ himself to use to set up this new paradigm of christianity?
Love God with all of your being... Love your neighbor as your self.
That little line above is the foundation of the whole law and the complete law of Christianity.
That is what that first church in acts had to work with and for some if that meant going back to OT law because they knew nothing else then as paul points out later when discussing which days to keep holy he says it is ok, but it is equally ok if you do not keep the old days holy. Again the command is love God the best way you know how with all of your facilities putting in a 100% effort.
So for the small minded person who only can understand rule and law, their expression of love to god is rule and law. for the larger minded person if they can understand the freedom Christ's sacrifice brings then for them it would be wrong to worship under rule and law because in their hearts and minds they are free and are not freely worshiping with their hearts and minds when constrained by the law!
That is why Paul compares us to a part of the body of Christ in that each person is a different member of the body and each member has its own attributes strengths and weaknesses. and each member serves the body differently. in doing so a hand will provide the body with things the foot can not and like wise the foot can move the body but the ear can not. now just because the foot functions to move the body and provide stability does not mean all the other parts of the body have to function like the foot does. because we need sight hearing taste we need the strength of the arms the dexterity of the hand and fingers, if all where a foot the body would be a dysfunctional mess.
Like wise we too are different and act differently and provide the body of Christ with the different attributes it needs to function act interact feed and car for it self with no two different parts having the same job. each different part serves the body differently and yet all together serve one purpose.
This is true with the church. there is no one form of true christianity outside that we are one body made up of many parts.
Paul's efforts Paul's book in of them selves are a testament to this. if there was only to be one form of the church one mind set one set of rules then why did paul write to each church differently? why did he not write one set of rules out and demand everyone follow them? rather he spoke to the strengths and weaknesses of each community, which meant different problems/sin where highlighted as something the congregation needed to work on in that community as a whole, which again differed from region to region. Again if There was only one right way to worship then why did just make a rule book? He was a Jewish priest of the highest order and a rule book would suit every aspect of his education and knowledge on how God works.
Rather this Christianity was not like anything that had come before. as it put the indivisual in the position of the prophet, meaning it put regular people in direct contact with God without the need of any religious structure. IF and only if they learn who God is and obey/follow him how he out lines. which is seperate and apart from salvation. as the bible demonstrates it is possible to be saved without any knoweledge of God or the hly Spirit. however those who live by faith alone are few and far between. Jesus said if you are one of these people then great is your reward in heaven, however for all of the doubting thomas' there is proof to be had. just got to meet God on his terms and not demand god bend his knee to you.