(June 19, 2019 at 2:44 pm)Drich Wrote:(June 19, 2019 at 2:30 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
Uhm...... yeah while the Nazi's had the word 'Socialist' in their title they were Fascists like Musolini in Italy and Franco in Spain at the time.
While there are certainly elements of socialism in communism....... they have some fundamental differences.
Like the whole "Dictator at the top gets to tell every one what to do. Or else." kind of thing Communism and Fascism had going on.
Cheers.
don't buy into the new narrative.
There was a reason national socialist workers party took hold in germany, you need not look any further than the promises of free education, free health care a free home and car for every family and heavy taxes for the rich and heavy industry to pay for it all.. not to mention the public works the government used bring it self out of a deep finical depression, people voted for socialism and yes over time it turned into a fascist regime because pure socialist views can not sustain itself. history bears this out time and again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_S...st_Program
#1 People voted for socialism
The last free election in November 1932 resulted in 33% for NSDAP, losing 4% compared to the previous election
#2 National socialist program: 14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
Too bad actually the opposite happened: Trickle down economy with the regime feeding heavy industry with state funded re-armament. In effect Krupp, Thyssen and Quandt made fortunes 1933-45. Hitler didnt take money from Krupp, he didnt call him to Berlin to dictate whatever to him, he paid him visit in his villa Hügel, a favour not even Chamberlain experienced whom he made take his first flight ever to the most possible remote part of germany. In the pic below Hitler does not seem to take money from the older Krupp guy if you ask me.
Socialism in the nazi dictatorship was a pretty mixed bag:
On one hand socialist actions like KdF were taken, but only to make people comtempt with war plans. You cant wage war without a happy and fit population. You need them to die for you. On the other hand worker unions were destroyed and wages *frozen*. The real wage (wage corrected for inflation) did not rise at all after 1933, giving the average german not more moey to buy than before. Taxation policy was also not particularly socialistic. Taxes were raised in general for everybody, in order to pay off the massive governmental spendings, not in public welfare or consumer goods (there was nothing to buy for Joe Average and all money went to the bank, which in return could be used to lend it to the government in order to ...... buy more weapons).
What ruined the german economy and what made it necessary to exploit the jewish wealth (and ultimately foreign victim nations) was not socialism, but the rearmament plan that enriched the already rich. By 1938 the military budget reached 20% of GDP (in 1932 it was 1%). For comparison: in 2016 the US military budget was a whopping 3%! Imagine the US spending 7-8 times what it currently spends on military, and then make a guess which is the biggest burden for your overall budget.
What can be learned from the nazi era mostly is that you are in a death spiral if you rely on military spendings in order to provide you (foreign) funds for your governmental budget.
What can be learned is that having a military and industrial complex, even losing a war and everybody having to start from scratch, most of the tycoons (like Krupp and Quandt) do not, a lesson that hurt germans most after 1945.
The "nationalsocialism=socialism=bad" tripe is a gross overimplification and equivocation, doing the real nazi ideology and its iffy details no justice. If you want to know who profited most from this time, you have to look after 1945. (War) profiteers´ names usually arent "Joe Average".
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