RE: trump announces his bid for reelection!
June 20, 2019 at 11:10 am
(This post was last modified: June 20, 2019 at 11:15 am by Drich.)
(June 19, 2019 at 5:03 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The mueller report, as you have been shown with an actual citation in this thread, does not show what you said it does. Further, it explicitly states that your characterization is wholly false.
My confusion is as to what fantasy world you're living in, but given that your "citations" are fox infotainment..that;s not quite right, huh? More to how I could possibly discuss the merits of our respective opinions if you will not agree to contain yourself to the reality that facts obtain.
I already told you I wasn't interested in Qanon shit. I don't care whether it's you or lindsey graham or devin nunes mainlining that shit, lol. You said the mueller report showed something, you said you had citations. Neither of these two things were true.
The report has been edited by the federal government. meaning large portions have been completely omited or blacked out in compliance with federal law concerning the animinity of people or subjects under investigation or people or tactics used to gain information that is not to be share with the gener public as a matter of nation security (names of agents and spies working on the investigation ect) along with people and subject matters under current investigation... do you understand this part?
I provided you a video link of senator gramm telling us the Dossier and everyone involved in providing and pushing said dossier are under current investigation. which means all of that infor has been redacted. or black out/omitted from the public version of the muller report.
do you understand this? If you don'tit means your new times version is incomplete and you nor I am privy to the complete version. only members of congress and the senate with DOJ have access to most of the redacted portions, as even some of the report is not even open to them. Under normal circumstances the primary source the citable material would be the report. however under this circumstance the report is known to be incomplete and classified under the guise of the federal government. it is a state secret. Therefore the next legally quotable citable source would be from someone of authority who has read it.
That is what I did and that is what becomes your citation because no other legal information is available.
which is why i provided a video of a senator that has seen the redacted portions. and from what he is allowed to share he said he knew trump was innocent as the findings show the dossier to be false. Then I provided a cnn video that indicated the investigation showed the report to be manufactured by Christopher steele with the help of false info gained from the russians, yet use by the DNC as the primary evidence to start this investigation.
Then I provided a video link with a former DOJ that said the investigation should have stopped when the dossier which was the foundation of the whole investigation into TRUMP was found to be false. And that is what is being investigated now. who knew what andwhen.
So again I do not understand you confusion unless you are intentionally trolling me and the subject because you simply want the last word on something that is in the works and is playing out right now exactly as I described.
either way even if you don't understand still.. know I am on the side of history and there is an on going investigation on the dossier and everyone involved in it's production and illegal use to turn the DOJ onto an american citizen and president with manufactured evidence.
(June 19, 2019 at 11:59 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:https://www.diffen.com/difference/Commun..._Socialism(June 19, 2019 at 4:39 pm)Drich Wrote: Glob..
Communism sport stalinist where the model of Com-mun-ism.. read what I said again dummy. There is a difference between socialism and communism. the nazi where socialists and the stalinist where vangaurd to the communists!!!
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[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism
when communism was first introduced:
https://www.history.com/topics/russia/co...m-timeline
one shot!
So... the Stalinists' were only 'Communists'? They weren't 'Socalists'?
And the Nazi's started off 'socialist' and then they became... Fascists?
So... what was/is the major differance between a 'Communist' and a 'Socialist' then?
How might one be a 'Democratic socialist' ?
Cheers.
Not at work.
Quote:Communism
SocialismPhilosophy
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Free-access to the articles of consumption is made possible by advances in technology that allow for super-abundance.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his contribution. Emphasis on profit being distributed among the society or workforce to complement individual wages/salaries.
Key Elements
Centralized government, planned economy, dictatorship of the "proletariat", common ownership of the tools of production, no private property. equality between genders and all people, international focus. Usually anti-democratic with a 1-party system.
Calculation in kind, Collective ownership, Cooperative common ownership, Economic democracy Economic planning, Equal opportunity, Free association, Industrial democracy, Input–output model, Internationalism, Labour voucher, Material balancing.
Political System
A communist society is stateless, classless and governed directly by the people. This, however, has never been achieved. In practice, they have been totalitarian in nature, with a central party governing society.
Can coexist with different political systems. Most socialists advocate participatory democracy, some (Social Democrats) advocate parliamentary democracy, and Marxist-Leninists advocate "Democratic centralism."
Ideas
All people are the same and therefore classes make no sense. The government should own all means of production and land and also everything else. People should work for the government and the collective output should be redistributed equally.
All individuals should have access to basic articles of consumption and public goods to allow for self-actualization. Large-scale industries are collective efforts and thus the returns from these industries must benefit society as a whole.
Private Property
Abolished. The concept of property is negated and replaced with the concept of commons and ownership with "usership".
Two kinds of property: Personal property, such as houses, clothing, etc. owned by the individual. Public property includes factories, and means of production owned by the State but with worker control.
Key Proponents
Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Peter Kropotkin, Rosa Luxemburg, Vladimir Lenin, Emma Goldman, Leon Trotsky, Joseph Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Mao Zedong, Josip Broz Tito, Enver Hoxha, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro.
Charles Hall, François-Noël Babeuf, Henri de Saint-Simon, Robert Owen, Charles Fourier, Louis Auguste Blanqui, William Thompson, Thomas Hodgskin, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Louis Blanc, Moses Hess, Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Mikhail Bukinin.
Social Structure
All class distinctions are eliminated. A society in which everyone is both the owners of the means of production and their own employees.
Class distinctions are diminished. Status derived more from political distinctions than class distinctions. Some mobility.
Religion
Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected. Engels and Lenin agreed that religion was a drug or “spiritual booze” and must be combated. To them, atheism put into practice meant a “forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.
Freedom of religion, but usually promotes secularism.
Economic Coordination
Economic planning coordinates all decisions regarding investment, production and resource allocation. Planning is done in terms of physical units instead of money.
Planned-socialism relies principally on planning to determine investment and production decisions. Planning may be centralized or decentralized. Market-socialism relies on markets for allocating capital to different socially-owned enterprises.
Free Choice
Either the collective "vote" or the state's rulers make economic and political decisions for everyone else. In practice, rallies, force, propaganda etc. are used by the rulers to control the populace.
Religion, jobs, & marriage are up to the individual. Compulsory education. Free, equal access to healthcare & education provided through a socialized system funded by taxation. Production decisions driven more by State decision than consumer demand.
Definition
International theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, with actual ownership ascribed to the community or state. Rejection of free markets and extreme distrust of Capitalism in any form.
A theory or system of social organization based on the holding of most property in common, with actual ownership ascribed to the workers.
Ownership Structure
The means of production are commonly-owned, meaning no entity or individual owns productive property. Importance is ascribed to "usership" over "ownership".
The means of production are socially-owned with the surplus value produced accruing to either all of society (in Public-ownership models) or to all the employee-members of the enterprise (in Cooperative-ownership models).
Discrimination
In theory, all members of the state are considered equal to one another.
The people are considered equal; laws are made when necessary to protect people from discrimination. Immigration is often tightly controlled.
Way of Change
Government in a Communist-state is the agent of change rather than any market or desire on the part of consumers. Change by government can be swift or slow, depending on change in ideology or even whim.
Workers in a socialist state are the nominal agent of change rather than any market or desire on the part of consumers. Change by the State on behalf of workers can be swift or slow, depending on change in ideology or even whim.
Political Movements
Marxist Communism, Leninism and Marxism–Leninism, Stalinism, Trotskyism, Maoism, Dengism, Prachanda Path, Hoxhaism, Titoism, Eurocommunism, Luxemburgism, Council communism, Left-Communism.
Democratic socialism, communism, libertarian socialism, social anarchism, and syndicalism.
Economic System
The means of production are held in common, negating the concept of ownership in capital goods. Production is organized to provide for human needs directly without any use for money. Communism is predicated upon a condition of material abundance.
The means of production are owned by public enterprises or cooperatives, and individuals are compensated based on the principle of individual contribution. Production may variously be coordinated through either economic planning or markets.
Variations
Left Anarchism, Council Communism, European Communism, Juche Communism, Marxism, National Communism, Pre-Marxist Communism, Primitive Communism, Religious Communism, International Communism.
Market socialism, communism, state socialism, social anarchism.
Examples
Ideally, there is no leader; the people govern directly. This has never been actually practiced, and has just used a one-party system. Examples 0f Communist states are the erstwhile Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea.
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR): although the actual categorization of the USSR's economic system is in dispute, it is often considered to be a form of centrally-planned socialism.
Means of control
Theoretically there is no state control.
Usage of a government.
Earliest Remnants
Theorized by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels in the mid-19th century as an alternative to capitalism and feudalism, communism was not tried out until after the revolution in Russia in the early 1910s.
In 1516, Thomas More write in "Utopia" about a society based around common ownership of property. In 1776, Adam Smith advocated the labor theory of value, ignoring the previous Cantillonian view that prices are derived from supply and demand.
Modern Examples
Recent far-left dictatorships include the USSR (1922-1991) and its sphere throughout eastern Europe. Only five nations presently have Communist governments: China, North Korea, Cuba, Laos and Russia.
Modern examples of socialist countries include China, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam. Countries like India, North Korea and Sri Lanka also refer to themselves as socialist in their constitution.
History
Major Communist parties include the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (1912-91), the Communist Party of China (1921-ON), the Workers' Party of Korea (1949-ON), and the Communist Party of Cuba (1965-ON).
Historic socialist examples include the Paris Commune, the Strandha Commune, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria; none continue to have Communist governments.
View of war
Communists believe that war is good for the economy by spurring production, but should be avoided.
Opinions range from prowar (Charles Edward Russell, Allan L. Benson) to antiwar (Eugene V. Debs, Norman Thomas). Socialists tend to agree with Keynesians that war is good for the economy by spurring production.
View of the world
Communism is an international movement; Communists in one country see themselves in solidarity with Communists in other countries. Communists distrust Nationalistic nations and leaders. Communists strongly distrust "big business."
Socialism is a movement of both the worker and middle-class, all for a common democratic goal.
Literature
The Communist Manifesto, “Das Kapital”, The State and Revolution, The Jungle, Reform or Revolution, Capital (Vol I: A Critical Analysis of Capitalist Production), Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, the Grapes of Wrath.
The Communist Manifesto, “Das Kapital”, The State and Revolution, The Jungle, Reform or Revolution, Capital (Vol I: A Critical Analysis of Capitalist Production), Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, the Grapes of Wrath.
Disadvantages
Historically, communism has always fallen into single part control over society. This can be due to its basic structure of consolidating all the power and resources, but then they are never relinquished to the people.
Socialism has hardly ever been successfully demonstrated, and never on a large scale. Human nature tends away from egalitarian sharing and toward private ownership. This foible will never change.
next time google it yourself before you look like a dumb ass with a single page dump that show over 100 distinction between the two.
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