(June 20, 2019 at 12:42 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:(June 18, 2019 at 3:01 pm)Drich Wrote: are intentionally being obstinate or do you not know there is a major divide between communism and socialism? Ask stallin and hitler if they are compatible.. if so why did million fight eacth other to install their own personal ism in each others home land?
And here's what I have to say about the whole "Hitler was a socialist" meme:
And as someone who's currently between volumes in his re-reading of Ian Kershaw's mammoth biography of Hitler, I can say this is more or less accurate.
An actual quote from an early speech from Hitler:
Adolf Hitler Wrote:Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of the nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, “Deutschland ueber Alles,” to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land — that man is a Socialist.
A few years later, he said this when asked about Socialism: "Socialism! What does socialism really mean? If people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism."
In the pre-1933 days, there was a sizable contingent of the National Socialist Worker's Party called the Strasserites that actually took the "Socialist" part of their name seriously. Around 1930, he started to purge them from the party. When he came to power, especially on the Night of the Long Knives, he purged them from life.
And here's what Richard J. Evans, one of the top historians of the era has to say about it:
Richard J. Evans Wrote:Perhaps to emphasize this anti-capitalist focus, and to align itself with similar groups in Austria and Czechoslovakia, the party changed its name in February 1920 to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party…. Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism. True, as some have pointed out, its rhetoric was frequently egalitarian, it stressed the need to put common needs above the needs of the individual, and it often declared itself opposed to big business and international finance capital. Famously, too, anti-Semitism was once declared to be “the socialism of fools.” But from the very beginning, Hitler declared himself implacably opposed to Social Democracy and, initially to a much smaller extent, Communism: after all, the “November traitors” who had signed the Armistice and later the Treaty of Versailles were not Communists at all, but the Social Democrats. (Page 172-3 of my edition of The Coming of the Third Reich.)
TL;DR: Unless your definition of "socialism" is "Anything Trump or Mitch McConnell doesn't like," Hitler was not a socialist. And I honestly wouldn't put it past Trump to even fail that definition.
And while we're on Democratic candidates and the crowds their rallies draw... well, here's a recent photo of a Bernie rally in Brooklyn a few months ago:
Huge crowds came out to see Bernie Sanders, and this was around the time of a major winter storm in New York. Still think Trump's far more popular than any Democratic candidate (and, bear in mind, as of my lunchtime, there were 22 others, which might also explain the poor showing at the Biden debate)?
there may be 1000 people pictured here sport..
Trump had 20,000 inside, and another 15,000 outside where they set up monitors and had a live band. they shut down 1/2 a city for almost a 24 hour period people waited DAYS in line to get in...
You are comparing apples to oranges.
Not only that you forgot in the DNC popular vote does not count for anything. what do I men? each voting district had a delegate who is supposed to vote with the majority of how the registered democratic public votes, but they do not have to (meaning they can be paid or bullied to vote for clinton when sanders is the popular vote.) then don't forget there are superdelegates who's vote is counted 10:1 over the normal deligates. meaning if all of the nations superdelegates get together and vote for clinton and all of the normal deligates (who represent the voting public for the democrats) voted for sanders the superdelegate votes count for more and clinton get the DNC nomination and sanders goes home. Just like he did in 2016...
Your vote in the primary means nothing. The deep state/those who control the superdelegates (the big campaign contributors to the DNC) control who the democratic nominee is.
So in the end it does not matter who votes for sanders AOC or biden. if the DNC says biden then it will be biden who wins the primaries.
You guys are already loosing your freedoms in democratic specific functions like the primaries, which is fine by me, but don't look to spread this corruption and freedom thievery over the rest of the country!