Pregnant Alabama Woman who was shot charged with Manslaughter of her unborn baby

[tackattack]

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So, is Alabama a 'stand your ground' state?

nvm - it is. Google to the rescue.

I still think it could become a slippery slope if women are punished for a pregnancy that isn't carried to term. How far does that go? An auto accident where the woman isn't at fault, maybe not even driving. Any sort of accidental injury or illness that causes the pregnancy to terminate? Women aren't just incubators whose sole purpose is carry a pregnancy to term. What about babies born with congenital defects? Just how far can this go? My great grandmother lost nine. Did that make her a serial killer?

Thinking out loud here...playing out some scenarios in my head. They thought I was going to miscarry baby number 2 but I didn't. I hadn't done anything it was just a fragile pregnancy. What if the miscarriage had happened through no fault of my own?

Anyone with ideas on this?

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I think it is definitely a slippery slope. For now we heap all of the blame onto one person in the legal system. Rarely, in life, is it that cut and dry. Take the fetus out of the equation. If it was a random kid in the car she was backed up against who would have the most blame. I still think it would be the instigator. Couple that with the recklessness of the parent of that child to start a fight, and press the fight with a gun owner (presumably she new her at least as a co-worker). Something that happens to you that you have zero control over doesn't (shouldn't) put any blame on you. I think it's the should that place blame. If you could forsee it and you could prevent it, you should have attempted to stop it. We can see a car coming last minute but might not be able to steer clear of it. You can forsee that taking meth is bad for a baby and you don't have to take meth, so you should be punished for it. You can forsee an unsecured gun is a hazard around curious children, you don't have to leave it unsecured, therefore you should be able to prevent most accidental shootings from guns being left out. idk, but that's just my 2 cents, it's way to early before coffee for this.

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tackattack
She's not being punished for miscarrying, she's being held responsible for starting shit and the ramifications from that. In alababma fetuses are people, hence manslaughter. Is your problem with the amount of punishment or that she shouldn't be punished at all?

Yes, she is being punished for miscarrying. Doesn't matter if the fetus is a 'person' in Alabama or not. You can bet your ass that if little Johnny got a hold of daddy's 9mm and shot his sister with it and killed her, Johnny's dad would NOT be charged with Manslaughter. So spare me your sanctimonious bullshit. And I can bet you'd never support a parent being charged if they refused to get their child treated for religious reasons.

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I disagree, and disagree with it being sanctimonious, but that's another topic. It does matter if the fetus is granted personhood legally. You may not agree with it, but in Alabama it is. Can you honestly say that the victim or an accidental death in a drive-by shouldn't have the shooter punished? In Alabama the fetus and the kid sitting in it's house are the same thing. If miscarriage is "the expulsion of a fetus from the womb before it is able to survive independently, especially spontaneously or as the result of accident" I think I see where you repeatedly using that work is just expressing your bias. It wasn't accidental that she engaged the gun owner in her pregnant state. It was intentional, aggressive and she pressed the issue when she was winning. Just because she was blind to the outcome of being shot doesn't mean a reasonable person looking in can easily see if someone attacks you and is beating you to a pulp against a car and you have a weapon, you'll defend yourself. Isn't that reasonable?

I do believe that the law should punish irresponsibility. Johnny getting a hold of daddy's 9mm and shooting his sister with it and killed her, Johnny's dad SHOULD be charged with Manslaughter. I also would support a parent being charged if they refused to get their child treated for religious reasons. I also believe in punishing parents (all, but for your sake I'll specify to include religious) for torturing the gay out of their kids, or spreading diseases through neglect, ignorance or sheer stupidity, or molesting children ,etc. ad nauseum.