Dem debates

[Aegon]

I didn't say you were responsible for Trump's antics, but you seem to be defending them.  If you're not and I'm misreading you, I'll apologize.

That 'group of asshat's' constitutes a little less than half of your Border Patrol. It isn't a stereotype, just simple arithmetic.

Boru

Bullshit.

There is no real evidence to indicate that it's that widespread.

You have never been part of such a group. You do not know how things work. The idea of a conspiracy (and yes - it would be a conspiracy)  involving half a department of government is so ludicrous it's laughable.

It's about as likely as NASA faking the moon landing.

No it's not, man. You know it's not as likely as NASA faking the goddamn moon landing. It's much more likely. Why? Because we know how poorly these migrants, of all ages, are being treated. We know they're not being provided proper care... being stuffed in rooms way over capacity, not being allowed to shower for weeks, not being provided basic necessities that even prisoners of war are given, stuck in the same rooms as those with the flu with the only protection against widespread illness being surgical masks, being told to drink out of toilets if they're thirsty (4 different members of Congress backed that quote up - if you don't believe them you should give a good reason why they would lie about such a thing). We also know that, in this sort of situation, psychological studies tell us that those with the power can quickly lose their empathetic side and see those under "their care" as subhuman. In fact, in virtually every situation where there is a prisoner/captive situation with little to no oversight, there has been awful abuse. A great read would be The Lucifer Effect by Phillip Zimbardo, where he outlines both the studies and real-life examples of how power dynamics can quickly make those in charge callous and uncaring, therefore abusive.

Maybe not all the BP agents are sexist or whatever they were doing in the Facebook group. But when you look at the conditions at these facilities, and you know what can occur in these situations without proper humane oversight... you've got to be fucking kidding me that it's "as likely as the moon landing."

There are people living in conditions that terrorist organizations would deem human rights violations, from what former al-Qaeda and ISIS POWs say. Why is stereotyping Border Patrol agents a bigger issue to you than that?

Look, there's a lot of information about this coming out and I'm sure there's some misinformation. Yes, stereotyping is bad. No, probably not all or even half of Border Patrol agents are evil. But you're seriously downplaying this whole thing, and you must know it.












^ Context for the "shampoo": that's what one woman being held in the facility was given to wash her whole body for a 15-day period.