(July 20, 2019 at 10:52 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:(July 19, 2019 at 12:00 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: That’s fine, they’re here now, they exist, just like energy exists, just like you and I exist. There isn’t anything that would outlast all things playing out, that’s a simple tautology.
Like I said man, just a rabbit hole thing.
If going deeper than the immediate macroscopic world you can perceive is going into rabbit hole, then not going down rabbit holes means stop using most microelectronic devices that relies on quantum effects. Why the net energy of the universe may be zero while perturbation from zero can temporarily support existence of things like you is but quantum effects writ large.
(July 20, 2019 at 5:28 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: polymath257 Wrote:
So then, in a exothermic chemical reaction, the heat energy that is released is made of "quantum particles" (?)
How does that follow from existent quantum particles not being directly energy?
Not sure if you're asking me.
Heat energy is the movement of particles, not the particles themselves.
So the idea that "everything there is" is quantum particles cannot be true.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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