RE: Crusaders and Jihadists: 2 faces of the same coin
July 22, 2019 at 5:33 pm
(This post was last modified: July 22, 2019 at 6:08 pm by WinterHold.)
(July 20, 2019 at 5:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Atlass, this is bullshit.
This stupidly assumes everyone who joins the U.S. Military is a Christian, and that is not the case. There is no religious oath to serve in our Marines, Air Force, Navy or Army. If you want to claim that most are Christians that still would not make all of them Conservative Christians, which would be more tempted to be the opposite of your Islamic conservatives.
I wouldn't trust our Christian conservatives to have a monopoly on our government and I am glad they do not, because they'd love to be a Christian version of Saudi Arabia.
And if you think I am happy with every war we have been in since WW2 you'd be wrong. I hate all war mongers, I hate our GOP because they shoot first and ask questions later. But unlike Saudi Arabia, when Americans don't like our leadership, we have the opportunity to change it. The same cannot be said for Saudi Arabia. I am NOT happy that Trump sucks your Prince's dick, especially after Trump was told he had a reporter chopped to bits.
I most certainly hate that humans fight each other, and I hate war, but this is not a case of the two sides being the same.
Currently the Islamic side of the planet is still stuck in oppressive theocracy. The west is still by comparison, still far more open and free at this point in history. That does not mean I like everything America does though. It also does not mean I like everything Israel does. It merely means we are still far more open than that side of the planet.
I'm not generalizing on all American soldiers; Brian, but I'm treating the army for what it is: a unified entity. The soldier's personal motives would not matter a lot when his unit is ordered to bomb a bridge or a home somewhere. If the leadership is evangelical and following an evangelical agenda, then the army automatically is; too.
A number of soldiers might not be in it for religious reasons, but that is on both sides: even ISIS has fighters who are in it for revenge for losing family or friends in war.
The American army's leadership as far as I know did show a lot of activity supporting zionism and for a reason we very well know: the return of Jesus Christ to Jerusalem.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019...ce-support
Quote:In his speech at the American University in Cairo, Pompeo said that in his state department office: “I keep a Bible open on my desk to remind me of God and his word, and the truth.”
The secretary of state’s primary message in Cairo was that the US was ready once more to embrace conservative Middle Eastern regimes, no matter how repressive, if they made common cause against Iran.
These are the official words from the American regime of today.
Was he talking about "God" or "Jesus" ?
(July 20, 2019 at 6:27 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Anyone who doesn't advocate and/or practice pacifism is (at some level) a violent terrorist. Not that pacifism is a workable or ironclad solution to violence or anything. But, to me, it's the only thing that ultimately isn't violent terrorism.
Pacifism can be practiced with a race different than humans.
(July 20, 2019 at 6:56 pm)ReptilianPeon Wrote: I think a much better framing is: (many/some) Christians and (many of) the followers of Muhammad have a lot in common, more than they'd like to acknowledge. Both religions have used religion as a justification for war. Can their deities not speak for themselves? Surely this "Allah" character can do a much better job of destroying civilizations than a rag-tag bunch of Jihadists, if that is what is needed? I am sure the deities could do a fine job of speaking for themselves, yet the silence is not taken as a hint for many.
But where are Muslims now? where are the Muslim armies slaughtering everybody? as far as I know; it is Christians and secular governments that destroyed the world through world wars and the creation and deployment of nuclear bombs; not Muslims.
It is Christians who invaded whole continents and annihilated a whole race out of existence and destroyed it's civilization for good like moth; not Muslims.
Do you compare the Christian invasion of America to the Muslim invasion of Egypt?
Do you compare the Christian inquisitions to the Muslim expansions?
(July 21, 2019 at 6:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(July 20, 2019 at 7:09 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: American soldiers as I understand are from the whole country and whole ethnic/religious backgrounds; many are in the army for the cash -considering it a job like any-. but others -many too- are evangelicals with bad ideas ranging from racism to extremism. I can be more accurate and give example by the loyal crowd around Trump and many political heads in the U.S's republican & oligarch institution.
These voters that made him win can act as a very decent fuel for a war with Iran.
Put Israel in the middle and there you go: a full-scale Jewish/Christian/Islamic conflict.
So you are blanket condemning ALL USian soldiers on the actions of some. How is that any different from the ignorant, bigoted Western claim, 'All Muslims are terrorists'?
Boru
If they are in the army by their own free will, then they agree to the agenda of the army and the cause it fights for. Any interest the leadership of the army has is carried out by these soldiers.
They move as a single unit, all chose to be part of the unit despite knowing its crimes.
That seems like a debt on every soldier's back, compare this to a mafia gang.
