(August 13, 2019 at 12:25 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(August 13, 2019 at 6:04 am)Acrobat Wrote: I’ll take that as a yes, that is the type of answer you were looking for. Now I tried to explain why that answer regardless if I gave it, or anyone else here gave it doesn’t answer your question as to why it’s “objectively wrong”.
Imagine if I claimed that good and bad when it comes to pizza is objective, rejecting those that suggest it’s subjective:
And you ask me why is dominos pizza objectively good?
I start describing to you the physical facts of the pizza, the ratio of cheese to crust the variety of toppings, the degree of crispness.
Perhaps you can see why this response doesn’t actually answer the question? It doesn’t establish the “objectiveness” of good here.
Perhaps you recall Grandizer indicating that good and bad are not in the physical properties of anything, they’re not anywhere.
So when the question is what is “objectively wrong” about x, the answer isn’t anywhere in the physical description of x, or it’s consequences, etc...
The type of answer you’re expecting, that you’re frustrated with me for not providing, is one that doesn’t actually answer the question, it just pulls the wool over your eyes.
First of all, comparing physical facts about harm to living beings to physical facts about a cheese pizza is a terrible analogy. Let’s try this another way:
Group A “just knows” torturing babies is good, and group B “just knows” torturing babies is bad. Both groups cannot be right, and both groups have a confidence level in their knowledge of 100%. How do we determine who is objectively right?
By using my own eyes. When using my own eyes I can see the torturing babies is bad, regardless of whatever group A or B say. But in this situation I'm in agreement with B. And group A is just delusional, worse than holocaust deniers, the sort of people you wouldn't want to water your plants, let alone watch your children.
An honest person would see the "badness" in torturing babies, dishonesty, delusions, lies, etc.. are required to see it as good, like can be said of the Nazis, with their scapegoating delusions, and all the lies the holocaust was built upon.