RE: The Jesus story has details that is most definitely made up i just realized!!!
August 21, 2019 at 1:46 am
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2019 at 1:48 am by Peebothuhlu.)
(August 21, 2019 at 12:45 am)ronedee Wrote: Not a problem. I'm not a quote dissector. I just enjoy a spirited exchange about the supernatural aspects of religion!
I firmly believe that any understanding at all in a deity, starts with a search of ones own experiences in life.
A desire to find an answer begins with a burning question.
And therein lies the issue with atheists.
For them, there is really no desire to generate a search for a deity.
Quite the opposite.
And without hard facts and evidence?
It's open season on any person of "faith".
It's a lot easier to shoot us down, then to believe any personal experiences of our own.
And personally, I don't really blame anyonehere for that.
I would probably do the same if I were in your(atheists in general) shoes too!
But, (and I've had this argument here, before) I would still be the same person IF I were on the other side of the tracks.
Maybe notin a deep spiritual sense.
But certainly as a detective, in my search for truth and knowledge.
I like to hear all sides of an issue, and makeinformed decisions "for" or "against" my own experiences and understandings.
It makes me more complete as a person who likes to debate the issues.
"Faith" is a hard thing to explain, and to argue for!
Extremely hard.
But also, it's what our religion is based on.
And the only way to attain faith is to go down that path.
And not just over the threshold, but deep into the recesses and fabric of it.
And that "aint happening" forthe average atheist.
Nope. So, there will always be a divide on thought and reasoning between the two sides.
The only "hope" we have is to form an understanding, and tolerance for each other based on a "wider" Truth of our common experiences.
And that 'can' lead to friendship as long as the lines don't get drawn for some outside reason. R
Well.... that's a big reply.
Where to start? ( "Begin at the begining." Said the King. "Go on untill you reach the end AND THEN STOP.")
I think there are a lot of generalizations in your reply.
However, for an opening it's groundlaying, so there's that.
As I started with. I consider myself a 'Non-theist'.
I simply don't see anything to indicate any diety existing and haven't there been an awful lot positied over the time of human existance?
As for 'Personal experiance'?
Personal experiance only goes so far.
Such as finding the top of that mountian.
Seeing where the start of that river arrises in which mountain stream.
Personal experiance doesn't 'Push clouds with our minds' as it were.
At some point when does the reality around us and the things in it and about it take prescedence over 'What we feel'?
I've felt a car impact. Not something I'd recommend.
I know others who've 'Felt' combat round impact. By all accounts also not something to recommend.
Nothing in any one's experiance that I know of have 'Felt' quantum mechanics... Or most aspect of biology or astronomy or geology.
As for other 'Feelings'?
Unfortunately, we're all universes unto ourseles untill the boundaries of our skin.
How do my 'feelings' in anyway impact aything else?
Hope my rambling has been informative as well.
Should others think rondee and I should toddle off and 'Get another thread' to stop us cloggin up this one I'd be happy to do so as well.
Cheers.
Not at work.