RE: The Jesus story has details that is most definitely made up i just realized!!!
August 30, 2019 at 4:02 am
(August 19, 2019 at 2:14 pm)android17ak47 Wrote: It just dawned on me that in the least, certain details about the jesus story as written in the bible were just made up.
I want someone to explain to me how in the world anyone could seriously assert to know what Jesus, or anyone else for that matter in the bible would have said when praying? and if anyone dares to say that Jesus came back after being alone and told everyone what he said, and was careful to recite word for word to others, and was remembered by those telling the story 20+ years after his death word for word before his story was finally written, you are suffering from delusion i highly doubt jesus came back and told folks what his personal prayers to yhwh/god were and word for word and even included the detail that he admitted to yhwh that it wasnt his will to endure what was to come, but submitted to his god's will and not his own. people just dont repeat things to others like that,..."oh and I told yhwh that it was nt my will to endure what's coming to me soon, but i told yhwh not my will, but thine...". not rational to believe this people, this just isnt going to happen then get told to just the right line of ppl up till it gets written over 20+yrs later.
You should at the least read the scriptures before condemning them. It's very apparent that you have a tremendous lack of biblical knowledge. Jesus told his disciples that the Holy Spirit would bring back to them the memory and details of Jesus life, this is what is meant by divine inspiration. Being that the Holy Spirit is the third part of the God Head and knows all that happens with God He then would be able to recount the prayers of Jesus word for word and then inspire them to be written down. it is quite rational and holds true as the way the scriptures came into being.
android17ak47 Wrote:never once did the scriptures ever say that any of the characters in these stories went around and told the others that werent present for each event, what happened so how in the heck did anyone know each and every action that each character did when these characters were not always around the same people, and how these entire collection of tories about each character all became knowledge to anyone, then somehow anywhere from a few decades, to thousanbds of years later is known to the ones who finally wrote these down.
Luke stated that most of what he wrote came from witnesses because he had no actual experiences in Jesus life.
andriod17ak47 Wrote:I smell a very bad fish here. the fact that thee stories include moments when characters said and did things when they were all by themselves, is far more to me than suspicious. what we know from history, is that both legends and myths are born when folks from the very culture of the characters they write about, the fact that the jews continued on as if noone ever truely came along and displayed supernatural feats, as their prophecies claimed would happen with the prophecied messiah would do is just more reason along with these claims in the scriptures made about this Jesus who was gone decades before he was written about makes certain suspicions very clear.
Jesus most certainly did things that were supernatural, they were witnessed by many and those supernatural events are the cause of many who followed Him. Jesus even told the religious leaders that they had seen these events yet they still did not believe.
android17ak47 Wrote:If anyone ever came along and truely fullfilled all the prophecies that the respected prophets of their culture had made concerning the messiah they have waited so long for, especially considering some of the attributes that this messiah is suppose to posses like performing supernatural acts, the jews would have more than noticed this, and would have embraced this messiah and he would have impressed the world and became the world leader like one of the prophecies claimed, and not have been executed for herecy which is not a messianic prophecy, and we wouldnt have a religion that rejects the prophecies directly address the messiah and embraces non messianic texts in Isaiah which could be attributed to more than jesus who was executed for herecy after claiming this role. It seems that folks who wanted jesus to be the messiah most definitely made things up in his story to both sound convincing and impressive when these things were made up, because the vast majority of jews in the first century most definitely werent impressed with anyone who has claimed that role. plus its well known that Pilat and Herod could not have done what the NT claims they did when they did. Herod died before the 1st century for crying out loud. god told me he prayed to himself and had to let himself know that his will didnt quite agree with his other will, but will submit to his own will afterall, then let the others he was reciting this to that he told himself "not my will but thine be done". this is insanity to think this is true, it looks more like a fictiional story about a man who is claimed to be the human incarnate of the invisible skygod that him and his culture believe exists, and included details about him praying to hisself as if his other personaly, needed to know something which again makes no sense yet the scriptures even says that this god isnt suppose to be confusing.
There's so much wrong with your above statements that it could take forever to address them all. I will mention a few, Jesus did fulfill all the prophecies about His life and purpose, you can't see this because of your lack of biblical knowledge, so what you do is spout what others have said and you couldn't have any idea if they had any biblical knowledge either. This makes you a parrot of false information, you've allowed yourself to look ridiculous on the false statements of others, take heart though many here do the same thing putting you in good company.
The prophecies state that Jesus did not come the first time to be a world leader, but to give His life for the redemption of all who would accept what He did for us. Jesus wasn't executed for heresy, even Pilate stated this very thing. The Jewish religious leaders had to make up some kind of charge before they could bring Jesus before Pilate and he gave into them to keep the peace because the peace that existed in Jerusalem at that time was tenuous at best.
Jesus prayed to the Father because they have a relationship as father and son. Your lack of understanding the Trinity shows itself. First you have to understand when the Son became a man, the man Jesus He had to lay down all His powers, the powers He used to do the miracles came from the Father, just as the miracles others in the scriptures preformed. No man has the powers to do miracles of the supernatural kind.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.