RE: The Jesus story has details that is most definitely made up i just realized!!!
September 9, 2019 at 9:35 am
The way I see it it is like it was with Moses couple of decades ago: people realized he didn't exist and then tried to find some other historical person as a proxy. And why? Because they couldn't dismiss him just like that. Even Sigmund Freud wrote a "book" about how Moses was just some follower of Akhenaten and demanded that it doesn't get published for several decades because many people still believed there was a real Moses including historians and the fear of what would happen if people found out not that Moses didn't exist but that he was somebody else and of course he feared his own saftey
So as I see it, Jesus is in a phase where mainstream consensus doesn't want to dismiss him yet, but rather searches for a proxy and then in few years or decades, no serious person will consider Jesus real even as a proxy, just like it is now with Moses.
from archive.org Wrote:To deny a people the man whom it praises as the greatest of its sons is not a deed to be undertaken light-heartedly especially by one belonging to that people. No consideration, however, will move rne to set aside truth in favour of supposed national interests. [...]
The man Moses, the liberator of his people, who gave them their religion and their laws, belonged to an age so remote that the preliminary question arises whether he was an historical person or a legendary figure. If he lived, his time was the thirteenth or fourteenth century B.C.; we have no word of him but from the Holy Books and the written traditions of the Jews. Although the decision lacks final historical certainty, the great majority of historians have expressed the opinion that Moses did live and that the exodus from Egypt, led by him, did in fact take place.
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Such violent methods of suppression are by no means alien to the Catholic Church ; she feels it rather as an intrusion into her privileges when other people resort to the same means. Psycho -Analysis, however, which has travelled everywhere during the course of my long life, has not yet found a more serviceable home than in the city where it was born and grew. I do not only think so, I know that this external danger will deter me from publishing the last part of my treatise on Moses. I have tried to remove this obstacle by telling myself that my fear is based on an over-estimation of my personal importance, and that the authorities would probably be quite indifferent to what I should have to say about Moses and the origin of monotheistic religions. Yet I do not feel sure that my judgement is correct. It seems to me more likely that malice and an appetite for sensation would make up for the importance I may lack in the eyes of the world. So I shall not publish this essay. But that need not hinder me from writing it. The more so since it was written once before, two years ago, and thus only needs re -writing and adding on to the two previous essays. Thus it may lie hid until the time comes when it may safely venture into the light of day, or until someone else who reaches the same opinions and conclusions can be told: " In darker days there lived a man who thought as you did."
So as I see it, Jesus is in a phase where mainstream consensus doesn't want to dismiss him yet, but rather searches for a proxy and then in few years or decades, no serious person will consider Jesus real even as a proxy, just like it is now with Moses.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"