RE: The Jesus story has details that is most definitely made up i just realized!!!
September 10, 2019 at 11:47 pm
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2019 at 11:48 pm by Fake Messiah.)
(September 10, 2019 at 5:57 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Agree. I have no objection to jebus being an actual historical person, or possibly an amalgam of the many wandering apocalyptic rabbis in the levant at that time. It's just kind of mundane.
If I claim that there are wandering street preachers on the streets of any city preaching the imminent end of the world, nobody would argue that. Why is 30-33 CE any different? Sure, there is not much evidence to work from, but it hardly counts as an extraordinary claim, does it? Such apocalyptic preachers have existed for as long as we have records. It is hardly a surprise that some existed in the levant at a time of foment and turmoil, is it?
Eleazar ben Yair, for example. That's pretty heavily documented.
For me, there is no reason that jebus the bastard is impossible in the levant at the time. It was "de riguer" for the region and time. Hell, even jesus is a common frakking first name even today. What are the chances of lots of blokes being named jesus in the 2,000 years ago levant? 100%.
People should pay far more attention to the subtext of "The Life of Brian".
But again, why do you assume it was based on some apocalyptic preacher? You even admit that there was nothing special about apocalyptic preachers in the past and on top of that, being an apocalyptic prophet wasn't illegal either.
Jesus also wears other hats in the Gospels that are hard to ignore: exorcist, healer, king, prophet, sage, rabbi, demigod, and so on. So why not conclude he was based on an ancient exorcist? Historical Jesus might well have been a messianic king, or a progressive Pharisee, or a Galilean shaman, or a magus, or a Hellenistic sage. But he cannot very well have been all of them at the same time.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
