RE: The Jesus story has details that is most definitely made up i just realized!!!
September 15, 2019 at 11:46 pm
(This post was last modified: September 15, 2019 at 11:47 pm by Fake Messiah.)
(September 15, 2019 at 10:08 pm)Jehanne Wrote: who was crucified by the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate, just as definitive.
And why would you claim that?
The thing is that the crucifixion and whole martyrdom of Jesus was created from the scriptures themselves or, should I say, the way that some Jews read them. There are many passages in the Bible that say how all these "events" occurred "according to the scriptures" (e.g. 1 Corinthians 15:3-5; Matthew 27:9-10; Mark 14:21; John 13:18, 17:12; Acts 1:16, 20, and many more). Writers of NT used these Old Testament texts to create a myth about crucifixion and Jesus.
Indeed, if you take Isaiah 53 it already had a tradition among Jews to interpret it in light of the suffering of Jewish hero-martyrs like the Maccabees. There's even a book about it by Jarvis Williams called Maccabean Martyr Traditions in Paul’s Theology of Atonement: Did Martyr Theology Shape Paul’s Conception of Jesus’s Death?
Or in later Jewish books that have dying messiah motif like Apocalypse of Zerubbabel there you have two messiahs: a Messiah ben David, and a Messiah ben Joseph. It prophesies the Son of Joseph would come first, only to be killed by an evil tyrant named "Armilus" (a Hebrew for Romulus, i.e., Rome). But all would not be lost, because the second messiah, the Son of David, would soon appear and resurrect him just before the end of the world. Sound familiar?
So it seems that early Christians combined two messiahs from a strand of earlier Jewish apocalyptic thought: martyred son of Joseph plus resurrection plus a triumphant, anointed son of David equals Jesus Christ.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"